Isn't a discussion about shaving your nutsack more your thing? :P [/b][/quote]
Thats pretty much your typical GFY response on the topic too ;)

Thats pretty much your typical GFY response on the topic too ;) [/b][/quote]
Hahaha!! I love giving Sykk shit!! :P

There no homophobes on this board!!


Well except , Lee.



;-)))

Where there's a will, there's a way. B) [/b][/quote]
Drav,

I agree 150%. ANYTHING can be cheated.

My point is just because you can you can choose not too.

My analogy of the day.

I can buy a gun. That is the means.

I can shoot a gun. That is the ability.

I can shoot you, or I can not. That is the choice.

My, and Meat's point I expect, is that we make the choice not to.

But what the fuck would I know, I only convert at 1: 500000, just ask Grimm :P

:ph34r:

Meat,
I didn't know numbers 1:50 still exist....
are you sure it's not 1:5000...after shave?
;-)))) [/b][/quote]
our ratio at netpondcash
1:169 uniques
= 1:203 raw

this is on montly memberships, no trials

Isn't a discussion about shaving your nutsack more your thing? :P [/b][/quote]
that's another board entirely ;-)

ahahahahaha GREAT WORD!!!


ahahahahahahahaha

You know..

Thats something that we were thinking about several months ago.

Unfortunately, we work in the only business where it is pretty damn near impossible not to rely on any third party. Whether that be content providers, photographers, designers, hosts, processors, other webmasters etc etc.

Somewhere along the line, someone is going to be stitching you up *somewhere* its a law of nature.

As for the processors, it would be SO easy for them to shave its unreal, a sale here, a sale there and, to some extent, thy actually do shave openly..

Just look at this for ne real easy method..

https://shopping.ccbill.com/search.cgi

Wouldnt take much of anything to shave based on that system.

Isn't a discussion about shaving your nutsack more your thing? :P

that's another board entirely ;-)

I have already openly admitted we do intentionally shave....

Our boys.

Need to reinforce that here again just to get a rise out of the homophobes.

He he.

:ph34r:

revshare????


I'd rather have the money now thanks rather than gamble on , amonst other things , the processor not taking a shit , 3 mths in.

I have said this above...

WE don't shave.

[/b][/quote]
The bottom line is - webhamsters in your program are shaved!!!
see my explanation above
unintentionally it may be but the fact remains it's happening

that's not to say you are shady or have a bad proggy
Just trying to get you to open your eyes and admit what goes on

If you want to have something to beat your chest about to webhamsters do like I do and pay 60%
Pay more than the other guy because you know there is a shave that you don't control

You know, there actually is some truth to that but, thats another story :)

The bottom line is - webhamsters in your program are shaved!!!
see my explanation above
unintentionally it may be but the fact remains it's happening

that's not to say you are shady or have a bad proggy
Just trying to get you to open your eyes and admit what goes on

If you want to have something to beat your chest about to webhamsters do like I do and pay 60%
Pay more than the other guy because you know there is a shave that you don't control [/b][/quote]
or us
we pay 60% and eat the processing fees

The bottom line is - webhamsters in your program are shaved!!!
see my explanation above
unintentionally it may be but the fact remains it's happening

that's not to say you are shady or have a bad proggy
Just trying to get you to open your eyes and admit what goes on

If you want to have something to beat your chest about to webhamsters do like I do and pay 60%
Pay more than the other guy because you know there is a shave that you don't control [/b][/quote]
If you actually read my later post Vick, you will see I understood and accepted what you said !

And it gave me an idea I am actually doing the math on as we speak ... quick off the mark you were.

And we pay up to 75% revshare for volume, so the more you send the more this is accounted for.

The only thing I am "beating my chest" about is the INTENTIONAL shaving aspect.

Do I have to say that again, ot haven't you got it yet?

:ph34r:

bottom line revshare programs dont make webmasters more money than PPS
If in rare cases where they do, it takes 5-8+ months to see the results.
and you can take that to the bank :okthumb:


Sykk, if you want me to send you some traffic still waiting on your reply

Fuck you Harry!!!

5000 hours of phonecalls (conservatively)
Days in each others company( ok , some of us may have been worse for wear. ie meat asleep on the stairs;-))

And you still don't get it ???!!!!????

Some other poor bastard try and explain it to him.

I'm off to play low stake Omaha Hi/low (the game fascinates me)

:)

Rolo, I never said one has to shave, just that those who want to, can -- even in a so-called "no shave" system.

Matter of fact, if I wanted to have a program that shaved, there is no way I'd have an in-house stats system! The very best way to "demonstrate" how "clean and honest" the program would be is to use some third-party processor or program that 99% of the webhamsters think is unshavable and then find a way to do it!!

Slav, Nick, everyone of you traffic guys (ditto Greenie, others) swear by PPS over revshare every time. Never has made sense to me; still doesn't. We all know sponsor PPS is not set up to be advantageous to the affiliate; it's where the sponsor makes the money. So, if you really think otherwise, post the numbers. :)

CBT - I understand, really
Just poking ya
You don't shave but your program does (due to the circumstances). Semantics?

so as I've stated for years all programs shave

and Cloud 9 Cash http://www.cloud9cash.com also pays all processing fees like Evil Genius

and Cloud 9 Cash has paid 80% for special promotions to all our webham ... er webmasters

It's been said here many times - what matters is the check and the amount per click earned

and even though I operate a Revshare most affiliates want PPS and it most cases can make more with PPS
even though I can post all day about the advantages of Cloud 9 Cash
Now how's that?
A Revshare program owner publicly stating you most likely will earn more with PPS

We all know to make sure the program/company will be there at the end of the month and the checks will be good

The problem is the whole economic system is fucked as are the expectations of webmasters. At the current price points, retention is tough. Upsells and cross sells are getting tougher every day. Meanwhile, webmasters still expect at least $30-35 PPS.

And try to convince the beer money webmasters that an advertised $35 PPS wont necessarily make more than a program offering $25 PPS. They are mathematically impaired.

It's interesting to see that NATS is having so much success with a marketing program that basically says "our software cant shave". It's working to some degree as webmasters do seek out programs running NATS. If it truly cant shave, I'll be interested to see what this does to price points and terms.

KK how are your programs converting these days?

we're still testing the new price points and $15/15 days option

Good post , Slav.

We do need a "highlights" section.

Anyone wanna volenteer to rin it?

:)

And Harry I can shave the shit out of you if you send me traffic on a third party run revshare.

#1. Did u see the #s lightspeed webmasters are earning each month ?
it was posted on GFY many times.

#2. How many affiliates got RICH sending traffic to revshare paysites ??
NONE. I can name at least one affiliate that got rich off PPS > Nick :D

#3 Scott's Law - higher volumes on lower margins will make u RICH

#4 Serge's Law - high margins, low volume, means u'r still sucking dick :agrin:

#1. Did u see the #s lightspeed webmasters are earning each month ?
it was posted on GFY many times.

#2. How many affiliates got RICH sending traffic to revshare paysites ??
NONE. I can name at least one affiliate that got rich off PPS > Nick :D

#3 Scott's Law - higher volumes on lower margins will make u RICH

#4 Serge's Law - high margins, low volume, means u'r still sucking dick :agrin: [/b][/quote]
Probably one of the best posts in this thread.

He he.

I ALWAYS bite on the right bait Vick.

:headwall:

The semantics is acceptable, but you have given me some food for thought.

:salute:

Because our sites do NOT trial, and our conversion and retentionare just as good as most trial programs, http://www.curiouscash.com/index.php?rev=gaymoneymachine ALWAYS performs heaps better on revshare.

100% exclusive and original content that we shoot ourselves from our now 250+ (and growing) fresh model base has the queens climbing over each other to throw their cash at us.

So I agree, Revshare on a program that has 3 things:
- Exclusive and original, fresh content
- Weekly updates
- Gives the punter on the inside what is promise don the outside
Should always well and truly trump PPJ.

The origin of Curious Cash was http://www.boymodelsaustralia.com in early 1999.

We ain't going anywhere.

And we won't be intentionally shaving anytime either, but we DO pay up to 75% revshare based on volume as follows:
Joins* You Get Paid
0-49 50%
50-99 55%
100-199 60%
200-399 65%
400-599 70%
600+ 75%

:ph34r:

http://agilemobile.com/ibill.GIF

Here's what one day of TGP traffic does on an average paysite.

The table shows the results for 838 signups.

#0 is how many people did not convert
#1 is how many people were rebilled once
#2 is how many people were rebilled twice, etc.

I think it's better to get your money upfront, not a year down the line ;-)

Probably one of the best posts in this thread. [/b][/quote]
I have to agree.

There have been many good posts in this thread thus far, but that is succint and to the point.

And what a point it makes.

:pearl:

Stupidiest thing I ever did was start paying (out of the kindness of my heart) the volenteers at Netpond.

Before that everything was done free.

So like an idiot , I start giving them a couple of hundred bucks a mth.

Then they start whining about "not enough"

Next thing ya know salaries are running 60k a mth plus lol

...

end rant...


ok..fuck ya all. ;-)))


Ask not what oprano can do , but what you can do for oprano!!!

Don't get me wrong, I feel rev share is certainly a viable option and that every webmaster should be sending a portion of their traffic to good rev share programs like Vick's and others out there BUT think of it in these terms.

Ask any economics professor which option they would choose if they won the lottery if they won 100 million (or whatever it is), the 45 million lump sum payment or the 100 million over 20 or 25 years depending on the lottery and practically down to the professor they will tell you that they will choose the lump sum. Why? It's really rather simple. That larger lump sum allows you to leverage your upfront money MUCH more so as to be able to make MUCH more through the years than were you to just take the 4 million a year. It allows you to make the MAXIMUM use of the buying power and leverage of your money right away. It's the same principle here except on a much shorter time scale.

Blasphemy!!

Volunteer!! WTF?

:blink: :huh:

I'll volunteer for an administration fee...

I'd be charitable like World Vision, for every dollar in the people who really need it get about 8c.

:ph34r:

...

Timon,

Stupid question about those iBill stats..

How comes 0 people converted on month 11 but 2 converted on month 12?

Or am i reading that wrong?

how many people were rebilled 11 times ??

ok let me try this again

16% trial convert ratio
total gross #s are roughly $27,000
$32 / sign up


Timon is my math correct ?

ok let me try this again

16% trial convert ratio
total gross #s are roughly $27,000
$32 / sign up


Timon is my math correct ? [/b][/quote]
No that's wrong.

#1 is not everything that converted, it's everything that converted once and then canceled.

Lee, it means that nobody bought a membership and canceled after 11 months, but two people canceled after 12 months.

This table are the 3 day trials only, there are also weekly trials, monthly trials and yearly prepaid which pull the average up quite a bit.

Gotcha thanks :)

No that's wrong.

#1 is not everything that converted, it's everything that converted once and then canceled.

Lee, it means that nobody bought a membership and canceled after 11 months, but two people canceled after 12 months.

This table are the 3 day trials only, there are also weekly trials, monthly trials and yearly prepaid which pull the average up quite a bit. [/b][/quote]
i see my error, trial converts are at 27%
but the rest of the #s should be correct, no ?
607 * $3
139 * 50
32 *2 * 50
20 * 3 * 50
15 * 4 * 50
....

What's your name? X Pics?

Fuck the economist. What would a psychologist say? Most people who go from rags to riches find that the lump sum just gives them a way to SPEND more money up front. They can't afford that kind of leverage.