Re: Should Christmas be a National Holiday ??
 

As some black comedian said long ago (was it Eddie Murphy? probably) ... It basically went like this:

"Shit yeah, I'd go for a KKK national holiday. Another day off, hopefully with pay. Hell yeah! I'll be home and even give a toast -- "Happy Fucking Birthday Grand Fucking Wizard Mother Fucker, and t'anks fo' the day off, ya dog-fucking bastard." -- And then go watch me some football." http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/drink.gif

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I don't give a rat's ass about Christmas. I concluded about 35 years ago, when I still considered myself a Christian, that what gets celebrated in December had nothing to do with religion, unless your idea of the holy trinity is Adam Smith, Sam Walton, and Alan Greeenspan.

May the next individual you arrest have consumed two cases of beer, a dozen boiled eggs, a half-dozen pickled pigs feet, and recover from constipation in the back of your squad car.

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I'm not going to be quite as colorful as PD with this, but voodooman, you're using the "we've always done it this way" argument, which is never a good reason for doing anything.

PD...what gets celebrated in December is determined by the celebrant. Jews and Pagans (just to select two) have a long list of holidays they manage to celebrate without the government having to declare anything. All other religions do, too. Any current calendar will provide you with the dates of unpronouceable holidays that I suspect are the result of the current attempts not to bash Muslims.

Your argument, PD, regarding how Christmas is *actually* celebrated is what caused me to compare it to, and celebrate it as, a secular holiday.

The worst thing that has ever happened to me in my life happend at 1:30 pm on December 28, 1975. For a quarter of a century all Christmas meant to me was unbearable pain. I hated everything about it. My way of "celebrating" Christmas was to try and hold in the grief, which as I was later told by my youngest, I did quite unsuccessfully.

For some, it's a religious holiday, and my best to them. To most people, it's something else. What that something else is, is up to them.

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I think PD was more upset at my comment about him being older than
Xmas, not at my comment.

I could be wrong though.

:)

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My only reason for taking a poke at voodooman was his insinuation that I am old. I mean, I am - but that's beside the point.

I truly wish people would shut the fuck up about this shit. It was only the lame attempt to compare Christmas to other holidays that annoyed me.

I wish the so-called Christians would render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's - which, if you live in the United States, happens to be that you live in a secular society where you don't have the right to shove your religion down anyone else's throat using the authority of the state to do the shoving.

I wish the so-called athiests and agnostics would get a grip, and realize that a school having a holiday pagent or lights on a government building do not an endorsement of religion make. Yeah, the blatant bullshit like nativity scenes needs to be addressed, but don't toss the presents out with the used wrapping paper, so to speak.

In an era where federal tax dollars are being dispensed to religious organizations that use it for evangelical as well as assistance purposes, the little tempest in a teapot bullshit like this is nothing but a red herring.

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haha. i still remember my inbred grandfather freaking out about this... then he named his black poodle nigger to honor the occasion.

*sigh* what wonderful memories i have of my childhood..... NOT! my family would make jerry springer cry.

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I remember someone recently asking do you ever type a long message and then not post it?

I just did... it had something to do with Americans taking being politically correct way too far... but in slightly less politically correct terms than this :p

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You rang?

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I don't care what it's called. I've celebrated Christmas for more than 20 years as an atheist and other than one aunt who - despite knowing my position on religion - still signs all her XMas cards "God Bless" and driving by churches with over-sized dioramas of baby Jesus in a barn I wouldn't ever know the religious side of the holiday.

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You have a valid point, I'll bump you yanks up 2 points so that you're level pegging with the French. :)

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Do we have a maids day or butlers day... no, why?

Because we don't give the lower classes special holidays. :p

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Don't even go there with that bastardized language that you spell in. :hmm:

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Bad grammar and form Dravyk ;)

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:) - somehow I knew that would get your attention.

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Hmmm. not getting anywhere with this whole thing so maybe it is time to ask the question in a different way...

How would you feel if instead of Christmas being a national holiday, Hannukah was made a national holiday. So, instead of saying Merry Christmas all over the place we would be saying Happy Hannukah and giving Hannukah gifts instead of Christmas gifts.

And when you (as a Christian, Muslim, Pagan, whatever) complained about it it was explained that it was just a name and didn't really mean anything anymore so why get your panties in a ruffle about it ?

:blink:

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I think that would be AWESOME!!! Hannukah is 8 days long :) :) :)

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I didn't know that, I'm good to rock with Hannukah as well :okthumb:

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Yeah, but we only got one present a night and the first night was the only good present. The other nights were socks, underwear and other useful things.

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Not much different than Christmas - 1 good gift, the rest useful stuff ;) But Sare was talking about making it a National Holiday - 8 days off in Dec sounds superb to me :)

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No no no... You wouldn't get 8 days off dammit.

I was merely changing the name of Christmas (december 25, Candlemas, Mid winters fest) to the Jewish Holiday. Still one day off for the fucker. Still give presents that you can't afford to give. Still the emphasis on the commercial marketing aspect.

Just renaming it in something other than the predominant religion's version of it.

Wouldn't that piss a bunch of people off ?

:unsure:

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8 days?

Make it 12!!! ...

Not only does it fit in with the song, but we just combine everything into one bigass 12-day KwanzaChanukahRamadonYuleChristmasWintersolsticeSa turnalia celebration!!!

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Yes, of course it would piss a bunch of people off.
People who don't like change.
People who never saw Christmas as a religious holiday in the first place.
Christians real and pretend.
People who just like getting pissed off about shit.

I take your point and it makes the "making a religious holiday a 'National Holiday'" concept easier to grasp.

Do you actually have a suggestion for the removal of the US Government and their attempts/successes at "establishing a religion"?

Yes, it's unConstitutional. Yes, it violates everything we *thought* this country was founded on. However, it doesn't seem to matter. There are countless court cases that should have been won that have been lost, because not enough people want this particular boat to be rocked.

The biggest difference between the "right" and the "left" in this country is that the "right" is organized and loud.

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AGAIN, I say, Who Gives A Fuck?!?!?

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Sarettah ;)

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Actually, I don't think he cares THAT much, he just wants to
see what shit he can stir.

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You should be a policeman with senses like those ;)

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Sare? Naw, tell me it isn't so! :unsure:

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Moi ??

I get accused of all sorts of shit these days dammit.

I was seriously interested in the question and was wondering what the board thought of it. There was not other reason for me to ask it. Trust me :rolleyes:























(it did go 3 pages though)

Re: Should Christmas be a National Holiday ??
 

Sorry, Dravyk. Deep breaths here. It's so. :unsure:

Final answer: no, of course it shouldn't be. However, it is. So, shall we move on to the next controversial issue we can't do a damned thing about now?

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No worries, I TRUST you. ;)

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Citizen's arrest! Disorderly conduct! Being a half-wit in a public place! :blink:

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just eat your fucking turkey and shut the fuck up everyone

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Hey, why you so pissy? I celebrate Martin Luther King Day.

:yowsa:

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Do you get regional holidays in the US.. Drives me mad here.
The city will shutdown, but 5 miles away everything goes on as normal.

Then you've got state holidays, and then the national ones.
Yep, Spain has way to many holidays, there are 2 next week some
godly one and the constitution.

Columbus day is on the 12th October here, not the 10th like you.. odd.

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Americans hate working on Mondays. "Columbus Day is celebrated on the 2nd Monday in October" - The Internet.

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its still a holiday and mostly that season everyone are having a vacation, so whats the difference? hehehe

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Nice pic, Who is she? :okthumb:

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I thought your special holiday was called Mardi Gras :p

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Colin I miss you :)