How much did you pay for the course ?

Somone's advice around here is free to take or not.

As far as following or not, if you are looking for someone to follow then you're in the wrong place. We don't make sheep here and sheep don't survive long around here, we generally skin em and throw them on Steve's barbie and have a big old sheep feast (if Serge doesn't get to them first that is)

If JizBiz (or anyone else for that matter) feels he has something to offer, he is free to speak his mind. If he makes some claim to vast secrets then it is quite proper to call him on it. I haven't seen any such claims yet. I have however seen him offer to help out newbies (which is something that this board is NOT known for) and I have seen him add some value to threads.

just imho of course.


Now back to my reclusiveness

How much did you pay for the course ?

Somone's advice around here is free to take or not.

As far as following or not, if you are looking for someone to follow then you're in the wrong place. We don't make sheep here and sheep don't survive long around here, we generally skin em and throw them on Steve's barbie and have a big old sheep feast (if Serge doesn't get to them first that is)

If JizBiz (or anyone else for that matter) feels he has something to offer, he is free to speak his mind. If he makes some claim to vast secrets then it is quite proper to call him on it. I haven't seen any such claims yet. I have however seen him offer to help out newbies (which is something that this board is NOT known for) and I have seen him add some value to threads.

just imho of course.


Now back to my reclusiveness [/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

Now there's someone that knows about Oprano!

Sir I take my hat off to you :)

How much did you pay for the course ?

Somone's advice around here is free to take or not.

As far as following or not, if you are looking for someone to follow then you're in the wrong place. We don't make sheep here and sheep don't survive long around here, we generally skin em and throw them on Steve's barbie and have a big old sheep feast (if Serge doesn't get to them first that is)

If JizBiz (or anyone else for that matter) feels he has something to offer, he is free to speak his mind. If he makes some claim to vast secrets then it is quite proper to call him on it. I haven't seen any such claims yet. I have however seen him offer to help out newbies (which is something that this board is NOT known for) and I have seen him add some value to threads.

just imho of course.


Now back to my reclusiveness [/b][/quote]
Well excuse me, but I gave a tramp a buck the other day and he told me always bet red!

Is that advice I should take because he `offered it` or should I take it at face value!

I'd hate to be in your head Pro :(

First of all. I saw JizBiz offer up his opinion. (I know because he stated that it was his opinion) I also saw Nick disagree with his opinion as you are free to.

But I saw nothing that JizBiz said that should have caused a call for his credentials. He didn't promise to make anyone rich, he isn't trying to sell anything (that I can see). As I said, you want to take his advice, take it, you don't want to, don't.

As far as the betting on red I would jusyt ask one question. Do you feel lucky ? :yowsa:

First of all. I saw JizBiz offer up his opinion. (I know because he stated that it was his opinion) I also saw Nick disagree with his opinion as you are free to.

But I saw nothing that JizBiz said that should have caused a call for his credentials. He didn't promise to make anyone rich, he isn't trying to sell anything (that I can see). As I said, you want to take his advice, take it, you don't want to, don't.

As far as the betting on red I would jusyt ask one question. Do you feel lucky ? :yowsa: [/b][/quote]
Thanks sarettah.

Wish it was always that simple. :)

If you have to ask the question, then it doesn't matter what you put it on -- you'll always lose.

Well, I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if ProZac was actually a newbie, but his statement earlier:

indicates he aint a newbie and that he is just baiting ya.

If he wants to play newbie, thats up to him but if he has been around long enough to remember condom (which was back in the days of stone tablet monitors) then he should have absorbed enough to make it by now through simple osmosis...




just imho of course....

Well, I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if ProZac was actually a newbie, but his statement earlier:

indicates he aint a newbie and that he is just baiting ya.

If he wants to play newbie, thats up to him but if he has been around long enough to remember condom (which was back in the days of stone tablet monitors) then he should have absorbed enough to make it by now through simple osmosis...




just imho of course.... [/b][/quote]
So very true :okthumb:

He might have meant he was a newbie to this posting on this board , but not to reading it or to this business.

;-)))

I know his post introducing himself was as a newbie to the board. But his questions in the thread as to why should I follow you etc were baiting...


If I am out of line, won't be the first time...nor the last...

If anything, I am very consistent in my inconsistency :okthumb:

Free Range veal or factory grown veal?

I'm sure though that it would be vealy good :) [/b][/quote]
very free range. perhaps chemically altered.

adult is now 50% of our biz
there is no money in mainstream, go away :)


something smells in here , or yeah it smalls like 99 again

there is more money to be made in both adult and mainstream than ever b4, its like picking benjamins of the money tree. Find a tree and just water it.

Pro Zac...If you are around.

My apologies. I have reviewed a few threads and you were probably not out of line.

I had not seen anything in this particular thread, but after looking around and a quick phone call I think you probablly had every right to ask for the credentials...

Well, I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if ProZac was actually a newbie, but his statement earlier:

indicates he aint a newbie and that he is just baiting ya.

If he wants to play newbie, thats up to him but if he has been around long enough to remember condom (which was back in the days of stone tablet monitors) then he should have absorbed enough to make it by now through simple osmosis...




just imho of course.... [/b][/quote]

Deleted! See above

You shouldn't have deleted it dammit... :headwall:

But thats cool, I was kind of waiting till you read down the thread before I posted back...


Beers on me :okthumb:

I'm here for the long haul. So it seemed the right thing to do ;)

I'll buy the beers if you don't mind :)

?? WTF

Please, elaborate. And tell me why he deserves credentials from me for merely offering my opinion.

And DO tell us of this phone call.

I called my broker. he said it was time for me to buy in.... :blink:

I called my broker. he said it was time for me to buy in.... :blink: [/b][/quote]
Ok

That may explain why my spidy senses were tingling.

:ph34r:

Sarettah, i'm glad to see you pulled back on that one ....

I couldn't believe how many of you were jumping on the 'why should someone offering advice have credentials' question that pro asked that was perfectly valid .....

i don't have time to break it down right now but over half of jiz's original post is just babble that's been copied from somewhere and it was a lot of captain obvious statements that don't require experience to know ... pro was asking why he should take advice of someone who is a moderator of a board and putting his advice forward as fact when he has nothing to back it up.

After reading Jiz's post explaining why he is in a position to give advice on this subject, I can see that he isn't ...

The rule with 'everything but adult' (or mainstream as we all call it) is that anyone who is making any significant money is not going to tell you what they are doing on an adult chat board ...

I personally would not say I have had success in mainstream yet, but I have been able to use my adult business (due to the niches i do in adult) to branch into mainstream and as a result i'm making dribbles of money from different sources - nothing yet that I would consider significant but I was doing so badly in adult last year that anything growing is an improvement LOL

My approach has not been to search for areas that are making money as slavik and the other traffic guys here do who have had big $ success, but i've approached it from the content angle of using what I have to get traffic.

My long term goal has always been to have my own print magazine, so I judge my success based on achieving that goal ... which is going to happen this year.

I am loving every minute of developing it, enjoying myself again for the first time in a few years, my health is good and I'm inspired .... so i'd say i'm successful already, money is the bonus that makes it possible.

Where are any of my statements copied from?

Please cj prove these claims.

Waiting patiently :D

Inabon please queue up "Why Cant We Be Friends?" again on Oprano radio.... it worked once today!

Jiz is having a bad day... ;-)))

There is plenty of money to be made in mainstream... and if you apply some of the principles learned in adult, they WILL work in mainstream as well..... less than 10% of my income is from adult these days... mainstream has been much more interesting the last year or so....

then again.... it's just this newbie's opinion! ;-)

However ...there is an old expression Jiz , that was said to me by an old Russian.

"If two of your friends say you are drunk , go home" LOL

the point people are trying to make is this...

We don't know you very well really , anmd oprano is close nit.

Bar fuckinfired no one here has a clue what you do etc.

Peoplke know I used to shave err run affiliatres , mail and generally spam fucking anything that can send traffic.

cj , has run here own sites and sites for some of the biggest "playas" in this game.

When we speak on a subject we have credentials with the people here on Opranol.

However you ever see me spouting "Pretty websites I have built to be real nice to surfers" ...trust me I'm talking out of myt ass.

And I'm sorry in this biz a lot of credentails come from monetary success.

You get lots of hiots , you make big money.

you run good affiliate proggies you make big money

you are a top flight designer , you make big money...


follow me ?

BUT ...that being said , all of us can learn something from every other person on this board.Fuclk even from pushpills!!!

;-)))

Free advice is usually worth every cent you pay for it

Finally someone that can see the bigger picture :)


Jiz I simply wanted to know if the advice you're passing off as your own has worked for you, if not then why not and why are you passing on?

Hell I could go on about how my company has developed a new operating system, with a browser, email program and instant messaging system all rolled in and how it's making me billions.

Just because I know how Bill Gates does it doesn't mean I'm qualified to give any advice on it!



I've seen all the so called guru's of the net preaching this and that and if they were really that good, they'd be sitting at home not saying a word and making bank!

Ding ding ding ding!

We have a winner!

CJ is dead on. No one is going to show many, if any of their mainstream cards to a bunch of pornlords.

This is an industry built on finding something that works, duplicating it as many times possible and milking every last penny out of it. No reason to educate them to opportunities you've discovered.

prototypes are being built as we speak and should be ready first part of May :)
then our $$ guy writes a bigger check [/b][/quote]
Sweet!! :)

Where are any of my statements copied from?

Please cj prove these claims.

Waiting patiently :D [/b][/quote]
you'll be waiting a while :rolleyes:

I didn't mean you copied text exactly, but the post wasn't based on your own ideas or information ... and the bits that were are so basic my teenage cousin doing year 10 marketing could have made that post.

its one thing putting yourself in the position to lead a group of newbies, but its another to take responsibility for their success ... you are asking people to put faith in your ideas and advice, which seems more like you fulfilling a need to be the king of the castle than to help others.

Here's my break down of your post ....

> and when stuff comes out in adult it usually takes a couple months for the mainstream guys to spin it.

bullshit. true in 1997, 1998, 1999, and maybe 2000. look at the music industry, movie industry, gambling industry, mobile phone industry, file sharing industry, blah blah. adult is one of 10 technology leaders online, not the leader anymore.

> Very few places offer PPS or even a percentage that i see as worth my time (lots of 7-10% payouts...FUCK THAT NOISE)

so you can only make money if your sponsor is paying a PPS rate?! :unsure: again, I call bullshit. 50% of a cupcake vs 7% of a 3 tier black forest cake ... blanket statements like this give newbies the wrong information and encourage them not to think for themselves. Do you understand how to look for a valuable payout, past the number advertised?

> BUT point in story...i pursued what i was after relentlessly, i didnt sidetrack to try a mgp or sidetrack to try out mailing..i focused on what i wanted as a finished product. Im still not done.

so that focus has worked well for you then? :rolleyes:

> IT IS NOT EASY, this isnt something that just happens, be prepared to bust your ass and spend more time working for yourself then you ever worked for anyone, otherwise you have allready lost the battle.

this is good advice to give, even if its not true. we don't want more newbies in this biz so anything that deters them is good :rolleyes: ... but if anyone wants the truth, working harder than you've ever worked before and busting your ass to make something happen never works. if you know what you are doing and your direction is clear, it isn't hard work ;-)


one saying is 'those who can't, teach' .... but I've heard another "We teach what we most need to learn ourselves" ... I write articles, help people and do what I do because it helps me to learn about my own path. The only advice I have to offer is my perspective from my experience ... useless to most but priceless to me.

If you feel that you are a teacher, then teach ... just don't be offended that none of us know you from moses ...

LOL

I dont recall saying i was GOD or to take my post like it was the 10 commandments, and i didnt lie or offer up fake riches under my referal code or anything else like we see all over the boards.

I just made a post to someone askin a question with what i had to offer.

A couple people who sign up the the SAME DAY as the post , jump on me and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

Jumping right on my back, the guy not hiding behind a fresh id. The guy who hasnt lied about his business or what he makes, The guy here to establish and bring some business to the boards, im not here for your money, im here mostly to spend it to build my business and my employers.

I thought i had the right place for this ?

And i apologize for the post, the advice or answers wont be seen from me again.

I don't have a problem with you giving advice or answers, I have a problem with your 'i am god' attitude.

If you don't think you came across that way then fine ... but this shit?

>>And i apologize for the post, the advice or answers wont be seen from me again.

what next, you are taking your bat and ball and going home?!?!

waaaah.

all you were asked was to provide some info about why your advice was worth following. You were called on bullshit because that's what you posted.

if you want to throw a tantrum about it and take back your offer, that's your call ... shows a lot about the value of what you have to teach.

Who thinks they are god? I dont pretend to be anybody, im more then honest about who i am and what i do with everyone i deal with. There is no other way, and i know who i am.

And im having a "tantrum"...lolol

No tantrum at all, in fact if you read this thread you would see not once am i "having a tantrum." I didnt take back any offers, dont put words in my mouth. I will still answer or FIND the answer to questions posted in that forum for people looking for them, why wouldnt i?

I answer you respectfully and all you can do is swear and make false accusations that you "dont have time to explain"

Then come back to say its Captain Obvious and everyone knows that stuff.

Everyone knows it allready and its alot of Captain Obvious...then why you so insulted i said it.

I just dont see the value in getting so "worked" about something so small. Theres so much worse stuff going on in our industry to waste you time "trashing" someone for shits and giggles.

And its obviously about money to you. So i ask, and i'm serious...

When you were making enough money to pay all your bills (family of 5) put money into your own business AND still have growing savings(didnt say rich here)...

Were you a blatent bullshitter who didnt have the right to voice her opinion or answer a post on a message board?

:popcorn:


I just love when you reach the point that you realize that "yep, this one is gonna be bloody"..... :yowsa:

We do pretty well with Mainstream.

jiz,

This is sorta what we had words about.

Its not a piss.

This is Oprano.

Must of us all known each other for years.

We do business together or with mutual friends.

We know each others talents.

We only know you from fuckinfired"

But In the last few days you have appointed yourself.... well .....basically "Mr.Know it all".

And when someone asks you whats yr credentiuals , what track record do you have? on what do you base this etc etc...you cop a sulk.

Seriously mate.Re-read yr posts.

"Don't sing it...bring it!" - Scott Hall.... NWO

:unsure:

my bad, I thought we were speaking english ...


very little is about money to me anymore ...
i've never had a family of 5 ...
i spent all my savings on shoes ...
everybody bullshits everyday ...
opinions are like assholes ...

anything else?

So because it was my first day posting here that makes me unqualified to see bullshit when its right in front of me?

Or should I have just slipped into a "hey thanks for the advice dude" role instead?


How long I've been a member has nothing to do with my questions and I saw no other people jumping on a bandwagon and backing me up, quite the opposite in fact! Most told me to mind my own fucking business and take or leave the advice!

An opinion has been formed and it's not a good one!