Morals and this industry

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

The fucked thing is Ryan fell of the wagon

Yeah, caught that in Ryan's post..sucks

[Nickatilynx]

And sarettah as I said to you in icq...you can catch me in "the morals make you a loser " generalisation , but it wasn't very imaginative using that.

Or was that the only thing you could think of that you knew some of us wouldn't do? LOL

[NickJ]

Ryan, I think you did the right thing. But what you talk about no money and shit? You said this is the worst it has been? Where has it been before? I mean were you once rolling in the dough and that has ended? what has changed?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by NickJ

Ryan, I think you did the right thing. But what you talk about no money and shit? You said this is the worst it has been? Where has it been before? I mean were you once rolling in the dough and that has ended? what has changed?

He was making great oney in this business in the late 90s and then left...

[PornoDoggy]

Balderdash, poppycock, and horseshit.

Because of tension on the ward, afternoon basketweaving has been canceled, and medication will be increased for all patients.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Balderdash, poppycock, and horseshit.

Because of tension on the ward, afternoon basketweaving has been canceled, and medication will be increased for all patients.

Fuck , I love the basketweaving too...still...can't grumble about the extra meds though

[Newton]

Ryan, look forward to 2006 with anticipation and excitement, focus on the projects and not on the money.

Remuneration will naturally come if all the links of the project are in place and I wish you well chap.

Make 2006 your year chap

[TheEnforcer]

Well, haven't checked this thread in a while!!

Anyways, Ryan, sorry to hear about the lapse. It's not an uncommon thing and don't let it get you down. Just get back on the horse and start anew.

[Anthony]

Ryan,

Tried to call you homeboy! Pick up thy phone!

I was the 954 number.

[Nickatilynx]

On all Oprano matters I seek Anthony advice and keep him up to date with events.

Things like if the guy who was going to take over as COO starts to feel the pressure and starts up a mindless piss so he can either get himself fired or resign in some sort of made up huff ...ANYTHING except actually do a job from start to finish.

You do have a habit of deciding not to do a job for some reason at the last moment don't you sarettah...

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

On all Oprano matters I seek Anthony advice and keep him up to date with events.

Things like if the guy who was going to take over as COO starts to feel the pressure and starts up a mindless piss so he can either get himself fired or resign in some sort of made up huff ...ANYTHING except actually do a job from start to finish.

You do have a habit of deciding not to do a job for some reason at the last moment don't you sarettah...

lololol....I didn't start this as a mindless piss. I questioned your platitude. I got double and then triple teamed. I have watched you an Ant do that before and if that is the way it is going to be, then fuck no I don't want any part of it.

I do plenty of jobs from start to finish, there are merely some that aren't worth finishing or for that matter not worth starting

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I do plenty of jobs from start to finish, there are merely some that aren't worth finishing or for that matter not worth starting

What's that I hear?!

It's the mating call of the loser.

Hey, might as well not do it if you are going to fail at it, eh?

I guess that's why you needed to post why you have so many important things in your life earlier. Eases the guilt of realizing that you need to rationalize why you can't finish something, let alone start it.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

lololol....I didn't start this as a mindless piss. I questioned your platitude. I got double and then triple teamed. I have watched you an Ant do that before and if that is the way it is going to be, then fuck no I don't want any part of it.

I do plenty of jobs from start to finish, there are merely some that aren't worth finishing or for that matter not worth starting

Like the vacuuming?

I thought we had sorted it in icq...then left for my daughters concert found your paypal in my mail , and that you had done all this searching to prove that KP is mentioned on the board LOL etc etc.

You're right.I suggest you get more of those $200 programming stints that take you two weeks to start ,two weeks to get going, then 2 weeks to find it was the guy who hired you fault, not yours , so you can quit.

LOL

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I thought we had sorted it in icq...then left for my daughters concert found your paypal in my mail , and that you had done all this searching to prove that KP is mentioned on the board LOL etc etc.

Never confuse "I understand" with "I agree".

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Never confuse "I understand" with "I agree".

No difference, both mean to you...

"I'm going to be a fuckwit even after hearing your side"

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Never confuse "I understand" with "I agree".

didn't know you were Japanese , sorry ;-)

[Newton]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Never confuse "I understand" with "I agree".

Never confuse 'common decency' with 'morality' either.

[Osiris]

Is there a position open?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Osiris

Is there a position opened?

Indeed there is!

[domtheboy]

Originally Posted by Osiris

Is there a position open?

There certainly is, bend over....



Oh sorry, you meant on Oprano

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by domtheboy

There certainly is, bend over....



Oh sorry, you meant on Oprano

I think it's time for a quiet word, Dom.

[domtheboy]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

I think it's time for a quiet word, Dom.

*grumbles*

yes miss

[Osiris]

Turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so..


"dink" again. You sure man?

[RyanLanane]

Good Advice on saying that to my daughter... One I am not sure I can quite make yet though as the good ole mild DT's are starting to kick in a mere 2-3 hours after waking up.. I made it through last night and everything is out of my system entirely now.. Most likely why. I've kicked harder things before and kicked this MANY times.

Maybe telling my daughter would be enough motivation for me... Outstanding idea, I just hate the idea that I may break that promise since I'm not sure i'm strong enough to make it through the holidays (my family is a BIG drinking family). The good thing is alot of the stressors are slowly melting away, life isn't good but it's livable at this point. That being said, I would drink now if I coud lol ...

Wrong thread for this though... Another thread another day ... And it will be reporting my sobriety birthdays !!!

[RyanLanane]

BTW, Anthony No better way to celebrate a New Year's Even then knowing you are HOURS away from a year of sobriety - Kudos To You, I know it couldn't of been easy !

[MorganGrayson]

Shitfuck. My *extremely* bad.

I meant to congratulate you, Anthony, when I first read your post, but I got sidetracked. HUGE KUDOS!!!!

[DrGuile]

Also,

Congratz Ant on Year 1.

Keep it going.

[DrGuile]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Good Advice on saying that to my daughter... One I am not sure I can quite make yet though as the good ole mild DT's are starting to kick in a mere 2-3 hours after waking up.. I made it through last night and everything is out of my system entirely now.. Most likely why. I've kicked harder things before and kicked this MANY times.

Maybe telling my daughter would be enough motivation for me... Outstanding idea, I just hate the idea that I may break that promise since I'm not sure i'm strong enough to make it through the holidays (my family is a BIG drinking family). The good thing is alot of the stressors are slowly melting away, life isn't good but it's livable at this point. That being said, I would drink now if I coud lol ...

Wrong thread for this though... Another thread another day ... And it will be reporting my sobriety birthdays !!!

Dont make that promise if you are going to break it you fucking twat.

Also, nice that you are already working on blaming others for your next fall off the wagon.

We dont know each other, but I dont think I like you.

[RyanLanane]

Originally Posted by DrGuile

Dont make that promise if you are going to break it you fucking twat.

Also, nice that you are already working on blaming others for your next fall off the wagon.

We dont know each other, but I dont think I like you.

Guile, no we don't know eachother - I have seen you post sporadically here though. I think you misunderstood my post. I am not blaming anyone at all for my shortcomings, I blame myself and myself only. When I mentioned my family being big drinkers I was simply stating it is more difficult for me to quit drinking around a group of drunks - my shortcoming.. not their fault. Not that it helps right now, but I can say I am powerless over Alchohol... 'Cunning, Baffling...' some of you know what I mean and I have at least been working towards getting off the last thing I have a problem with.

Some people can do it cold turkey, without support groups such as AA... Some people need detox, then AA... Some people just need a group like AA to help them keep their sanity. To everyone it's different and unfortunately I am not one of those people who can just turn off the switch on this problem.

I quit a much more serious drug for my daughter, and if I hadn't I would be dead right now. I am much happier in my life without that shit now, and I am sure eventually I will be able to say the same about alchohol. It's just been 100X as tough for me to kick as the 2nd most addictive drug on the planet was - not an excuse.. a fact.

What I was saying is I am not sure I am ready to tell my daughter that because I am not 100% sure I can keep that promise right now, which is why it seems you have a problem with me I am guessing.

BTW Guile, I have talked to certain people here about falling off the wagon (nearly every time) and I can't think of ONE time I have ever blamed anyone but myself. I may say it was because this happened or that happened to myself but to them I don't even tell them why much less put the blame on anyone. I may be an alchoholic, but I am an alchoholic that admits it is his own fault.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Good Advice on saying that to my daughter... One I am not sure I can quite make yet though as the good ole mild DT's are starting to kick in a mere 2-3 hours after waking up.. I made it through last night and everything is out of my system entirely now.. Most likely why. I've kicked harder things before and kicked this MANY times.

Maybe telling my daughter would be enough motivation for me... Outstanding idea, I just hate the idea that I may break that promise since I'm not sure i'm strong enough to make it through the holidays (my family is a BIG drinking family). The good thing is alot of the stressors are slowly melting away, life isn't good but it's livable at this point. That being said, I would drink now if I coud lol ...

Wrong thread for this though... Another thread another day ... And it will be reporting my sobriety birthdays !!!

Oh my fucking god in heaven. Just when I thought this clusterfuck of a thread had reached bottom, now this.

We have already laid the groundwork for our next little slip (which is most often a fucking leap), so we can get some more kudos for trying again.

I cannot tell you how to make major bling. I am not an expert in morality or decency or whatever you want to call it. I am certainly not an expert in soberity, either.

However, if you want some advice on how not to drink today, I've managed to string together consecutive time since 10/23/93, after diddlyfucking myself and everyone around me about it starting in June of 82.

Shut the fuck up and get to a meeting, because everything you know is wrong.

ICQ is on the board.

[Trev]

Many congratulations Anthony mate

[Nickatilynx]

Congrats Ant

Ryan,

Jesus dude.... I can't blame the Frenchie.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Congrats Ant

Ryan,

Jesus dude.... I can't blame the Frenchie.

I've been sitting here trying to find a way to reword what DrGuile said. Mind you, all I'm attempting to do is make it a tad gentler. I am by no means castigating DrGuile for what he said.

If anyone starts anything by giving a reason why he/she won't be able to do it, it's guaranteed that he/she won't be able to do it. (For lack of a neuter pronoun, we are now moving to "she.") She is not only setting herself up to fail she is detaching herself from responsibility for it. "It's not my fault," she can now say. "It's their fault. They made me do it."

One of the more accomplished dry drunks I know is an uncle-by-marriage. I met my husband's entire family - and still married the guy and had children with him on purpose, go figure - and watched them mock this guy. Why? Because he had stopped drinking. He was a brother/son/uncle/cousin/whatever to a big crowd of Slovak/Lithuanian fucking drunks. However, good ol' Uncle Billy took a long look at his life and said "this ain't working." (Or whatever he said.) And right in the middle of this crowd of lushes, he stopped drinking. He didn't get support. He got mocked. I caught his eye at this gathering and gave him my best "way to go!" smile. He smiled back at me gently and with appreciation. He stayed sober, too, despite the hell he took. He also went on to become mayor of the town he lived in. He was a good mayor, too...and a sober one. The rest of the family is still one large crowd of drunks.

Nobody's saying it's easy. Just that it's possible.

[Newton]

Congratulations Anthony and good on ya chap

[Anthony]

Thanks everyone.

I've been able to say no everytime the plate was passed around. Even said no to a few girls.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Thanks everyone.

I've been able to say no everytime the plate was passed around. Even said no to a few girls.

Goddamn, you're doing excellently.

[RyanLanane]

PD - You really are a bastard....

That being said, you are right most of the time. Probably why we bump heads so much.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

PD - You really are a bastard....

That being said, you are right most of the time. Probably why we bump heads so much.

PD is just a "straight shooter."
Grab his ICQ#, Ryan.
That's where I'd head if I needed some advice on "one day at a time."

That's what AA is, if it's working correctly.
A bunch of sober drunks who don't pull any punches, helping the shaking newbies make it one day at a time.

If you'd like to read about a fictional character who's a dry drunk, check out Lawrence Block's "Matt Scudder" series. Matt Scudder has a sponsor who reacts to every damn thing that happens with "yes, but did you drink today? No? Then today is a success." His sponsor says if he ever says anything else, it's time to get a new sponsor.

No, PD, I didn't just volunteer you as a sponsor.
I just think the books are great and related to them a LOT.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

PD - You really are a bastard....

That being said, you are right most of the time. Probably why we bump heads so much.

Could be that much of the reason I get in touch with my inner bastard when you get to posting is that I've heard a lot of it come out of my own mouth a time or twenty.

I have three daughters, and the promise I make to them whenever the subject comes up today - not nearly as often as it used to - is the same as it was starting twelve years ago.

Not today.

One minute at a time, bud ... the easiest way to keep from lying to yourself and those around you right now is to say nothing.

[DrGuile]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

I have three daughters, and the promise I make to them whenever the subject comes up today - not nearly as often as it used to - is the same as it was starting twelve years ago.

Not today.

One minute at a time, bud ... the easiest way to keep from lying to yourself and those around you right now is to say nothing.

That sounds about right.

The only way not to drink, is to not be drinking right now....

That sentence sounds odd, but I can't rework it and it says what I mean...

[TheEnforcer]

Ant, missed it before. Congrats on the 1 year anniversery!!

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Ant, missed it before. Congrats on the 1 year anniversery!!

Same here. Missed that post through all the other .... "rheteoric" .... Congrats, Ant!!

[Hell Puppy]

I only have one thought to add to all of this....

You can shear a sheep over and over, but you can only skin it once.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I only have one thought to add to all of this....

You can shear a sheep over and over, but you can only skin it once.

Ah, but we really need to know if skinning the sheep is moral ... no, wait, it doesn't matter if it's moral.

Is it decent?

And I suppose that if shearing involves rubber boots and a cliff, we have opened another can of worms indeeed ...

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Ah, but we really need to know if skinning the sheep is moral ... no, wait, it doesn't matter if it's moral.

Is it decent?

And I suppose that if shearing involves rubber boots and a cliff, we have opened another can of worms indeeed ...

Now *there's* a reference I haven't heard in a long time!

Points coming, PD!

[VooMan]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

You can shear a sheep over and over, but you can only skin it once.

[MorganGrayson]

Hi, VooMan!

I second that pearl!

TREV!