Sasha Grey keynote speaker at AVN show

[softball]

OK, I wanna know what the fuck were they thinkin'? Hey Evil, you got an opinion on this? What's the buzz in the office? Was she a hit or a miss?

[Hell Puppy]

I'd hit it.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I'd hit it.

Yeah, but you would also apparently fuck your palms.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Yeah, but you would also apparently fuck your palms.

I'm pretty good if I do say so myself.

[DannyCox]

WOW! What was AVN thinking?? I just forced myself to watch that entire fiasco, and she was awful. Not just for herself, but for the industry as a whole. Someone over at AVN really needs to look up "Keynote Address" in a dictionary. (someone please explain to me how this was, in any way, a Keynote Address!) She should have talked about the state of the industry as it is now, and the thrust of the show. not about herself.

She spent a couple of minutes talking about the past, and the supposed way everyone used to work together (which just never happened). Then she went on about herself, her new company, and how she was going to finally make good movies! She basically shit on all the producers in the audience! In the Q&A section, she also shit on the public! This chick is poison and no one should ever let her speak again!

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

WOW! What was AVN thinking?? I just forced myself to watch that entire fiasco, and she was awful. Not just for herself, but for the industry as a whole. Someone over at AVN really needs to look up "Keynote Address" in a dictionary. (someone please explain to me how this was, in any way, a Keynote Address!) She should have talked about the state of the industry as it is now, and the thrust of the show. not about herself.

She spent a couple of minutes talking about the past, and the supposed way everyone used to work together (which just never happened). Then she went on about herself, her new company, and how she was going to finally make good movies! She basically shit on all the producers in the audience! In the Q&A section, she also shit on the public! This chick is poison and no one should ever let her speak again!

Dan, you should know that show has almost nothing to do with AVN. Take it out on http://www.entertainmentmerchantsassociation.org/
or http://www.vsda.org
(same place)


To the rest of you... what on earth did you expect? Some earth-shattering keynote speech from a world leader? Look, I have zero to do with AEE or who speaks there, but since everyone here has a negative outlook on it, I'd really like to know.... WHO you would have chosen to speak, and what they should speak about?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

...WHO you would have chosen to speak, and what they should speak about?

Just a few names that come to mind off the top of my head...

Scott Coffman

Farrell Timlake

or if you want more recognizable face

Nina Hartley

The common theme there is that they've all been in the business long enough to have some perspective on where the industry has been, where it is now, where it has succeeded, where it has failed, and where it may be headed. Those are the topics generally touched upon in a keynote address.

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by Toby

Just a few names that come to mind off the top of my head...

Scott Coffman

Farrell Timlake

or if you want more recognizable face

Nina Hartley

The common theme there is that they've all been in the business long enough to have some perspective on where the industry has been, where it is now, where it has succeeded, where it has failed, and where it may be headed. Those are the topics generally touched upon in a keynote address.

I won't argue with that. My suggestion is (if you do care, and apparently you do enough to discuss this) contact the folks at vsda.org and tell them what you think.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Toby

Just a few names that come to mind off the top of my head...


Farrell Timlake

or if you want more recognizable face

Nina Hartley

I agree with those names, or even Tera. She's managed to straddle several worlds. I know she doesn't have a "cozy" relationship with AVN, but we're all "grown-ups" here.


Nina Hartley certainly has something to say, (and would have done it eloquently,) as does the hedgehog.

Even Regina Lynn would have been a decent speaker.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Dan, you should know that show has almost nothing to do with AVN. Take it out on http://www.entertainmentmerchantsassociation.org/
or http://www.vsda.org
(same place)


To the rest of you... what on earth did you expect? Some earth-shattering keynote speech from a world leader? Look, I have zero to do with AEE or who speaks there, but since everyone here has a negative outlook on it, I'd really like to know.... WHO you would have chosen to speak, and what they should speak about?

What would anyone expect Evil? You think because we sell pornography we are a buncha morons that think the opinion of a young porn chick will in anyway be of interest to us except as a curiosity? You posted those sixth grade videos of a girl who was semi coherent on this business, so the assumption is you want an opinion.
Now that you are an employee of this company, paid to do this kind of thing....(note to self...don't use the W word) you might expect to do a little damage control. You are an oar in their boat now.
Face it....that was an embarrassing disaster of a presentation by a company that was taking the piss out of the rest of us. Total disrespect for their peers. This kind of shit will not help their business one bit.

edit: just a sidenote. apparently preparation and opportunity never even shook hands.

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

What would anyone expect Evil? You think because we sell pornography we are a buncha morons that think the opinion of a young porn chick will in anyway be of interest to us except as a curiosity? You posted those sixth grade videos of a girl who was semi coherent on this business, so the assumption is you want an opinion.
Now that you are an employee of this company, paid to do this kind of thing....(note to self...don't use the W word) you might expect to do a little damage control. You are an oar in their boat now.
Face it....that was an embarrassing disaster of a presentation by a company that was taking the piss out of the rest of us. Total disrespect for their peers. This kind of shit will not help their business one bit.

edit: just a sidenote. apparently preparation and opportunity never even shook hands.

Get your shit together rhetorical. I have nothing to do with AEE. I'm not even defending them, their show, or their choice of keynote speaker. What I am doing, however, is questioning what you would have done instead since it's all to easy to whinge about their choice. I have no "oar in their boat", and no... I'm not paid to do this kind of thing. Stop assuming you know everything about me, and what I do. Back up your negativity or button it.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Dan, you should know that show has almost nothing to do with AVN. Take it out on http://www.entertainmentmerchantsassociation.org/
or http://www.vsda.org
(same place)

Isn't AEE owned and run by AVN? I had thought it was and always had been. I can't see the EMA running it, especially when they have companies like Blockbusters on their board. A number of the board members are very vocal in their anti-Porn stance.

Who is running AEE these days? It still seems to be known as "AVN Adult Entertainment Expo"

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Isn't AEE owned and run by AVN? I had thought it was and always had been. I can't see the EMA running it, especially when they have companies like Blockbusters on their board. A number of the board members are very vocal in their anti-Porn stance.

Who is running AEE these days? It still seems to be known as "AVN Adult Entertainment Expo"

Oh yes, they are very protective of AVNExpo...........and clearly claim to own it........

[softball]

I would not hit it.
Hey Sasha Grey...get your skinny ass in here. You got some 'splainin' to do.

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I would not hit it.
Hey Sasha Grey...get your skinny ass in here. You got some 'splainin' to do.

LOL

She would (could!) hit you, and you'd fall. Hard.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

LOL

She would (could!) hit you, and you'd fall. Hard.

Not too likely. I have been around that block way too many times, Evil.

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Not too likely. I have been around that block way too many times, Evil.

LOL and don't kid yourself. She would beat the livin shit outta you!

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

LOL and don't kid yourself. She would beat the livin shit outta you!

aw...why so negative Evil? Turn that frown upside down and maybe this year opportunity and Preparation H will meet......somewhere over the freeking rainbow.

[Toby]

My Dad can kick your Dad's ass!

[softball]

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Administrative Contact:
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[Evil Chris]

*sigh*...

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

*sigh*...

And I repeat, AVN REALLY thinks they own the phrase, AVNExpo........or are you saying not?

I should be VERY interested in hearing your response.

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And I repeat, AVN REALLY thinks they own the phrase, AVNExpo........or are you saying not?

I should be VERY interested in hearing your response.

you own it silly

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

you own it silly

Evil....you been into the Kickapoo Joy Juice?

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Evil....you been into the Kickapoo Joy Juice?

Originally Posted by Toby

huh?

Neither of you have it figured out yet? I guess EmperorEJ will have to let you in on it.

[Evil Chris]

rhetorical, you pulled the whois for internext-expo.com... bravo.

Weren't we talking about AEE? Which is owned by Questex? Their info shouldn't be hard to find. They filed for chapter 11 late in 2009.

AEE and Internext. Two very seperate events run by different organizations. AVN lends their name to AEE a la "Steven Speilberg presents...."

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

rhetorical, you pulled the whois for internext-expo.com... bravo.

Weren't we talking about AEE? Which is owned by Questex? Their info shouldn't be hard to find. They filed for chapter 11 late in 2009.

AEE and Internext. Two very seperate events run by different organizations. AVN lends their name to AEE a la "Steven Speilberg presents...."

Hand....meet Evil....Evil...have a few words with the hand....

[Evil Chris]

I'll take that as an indication that you finally get it!

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

I'll take that as an indication that you finally get it!

Sure....you crack me up Evil.

[softball]

Evil Chris Presents........(insert response in next reply)

[Twisted Dave]

She's my favorite porn star :P

[Toby]

huh?

[miz_wright]

I was pretty sure I read a while back that while AVN licensed their brand for use in conjunction/ by the Expo, they have very little to do with the Expo itself - running, managing, or arranging. But I may be missing something.

Regardless, somehow it escaped my attention when I was in this thread way back in November that we were talking about the Keynote for AEE, not I'next. Now that I realise we were talking about the show that is primarily targeted at consumers, I'm really confused as to why everyone got all sacktwisted about Sasha speaking. It kinda made sense when I thought we were talking about her speaking as keynote at the webmaster show - though it felt kinda schmucky, I got it. But having her as a speaker at a fan show?

Well ,she's who the fans want to see and hear from, most likely. So there, it makes sense. And I stand by that.

Uh, back to the devolution of this thread, now. Sorry to bring it back on topic, guys! Y'all continue beatin' up on each other.

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

I'm really confused as to why everyone got all sacktwisted about Sasha speaking.

It's because that's what they do here.

Anyone participating in this thread who actually went to AEE? Just wondering.



(sacktwisted.... great word btw!)

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

It's because that's what they do here.

Hey Chris, I must say you're doing a truly stellar job of representing your employer.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

Hey Chris, I must say you're doing a truly stellar job of representing your employer.

Didn't he say he was owned by Emp?

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by Toby

Hey Chris, I must say you're doing a truly stellar job of representing your employer.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

Out of gas. End of thread. Perhaps you should consider an online PR course to improve your damage control skills. Good luck in all your future endeavors, Evil.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

It's because that's what they do here.

Anyone participating in this thread who actually went to AEE? Just wondering.



(sacktwisted.... great word btw!)

You miss the point.

First time in over a decade I have not gone to the January Vegas shows. I'm sure same is true for many others including some participants in this thread. Show organizers aren't listening to attendees as to what they want from these shows, and attendance continues to drop.

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

You miss the point.

First time in over a decade I have not gone to the January Vegas shows. I'm sure same is true for many others including some participants in this thread. Show organizers aren't listening to attendees as to what they want from these shows, and attendance continues to drop.

HP... with due respect, I have been on Oprano a very long time. I understand the "feel" of things around here and bitching and whinging is part of the territory. Hell, it's part of the reason I come around too.

There's no "point", here... not really. People are being judgemental towards a keynote speaker. It's expected. I actually met Sasha. She's nice, intelligent, she listens to everyone she interacts with. That's what struck me the most about her.

As for shows, what can I say other than the economic climate has made the situation what it is and people are scrambling to change the way they do things. Things will evolve.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

HP... with due respect, I have been on Oprano a very long time. I understand the "feel" of things around here and bitching and whinging is part of the territory. Hell, it's part of the reason I come around too.

There's no "point", here... not really. People are being judgemental towards a keynote speaker. It's expected. I actually met Sasha. She's nice, intelligent, she listens to everyone she interacts with. That's what struck me the most about her.

As for shows, what can I say other than the economic climate has made the situation what it is and people are scrambling to change the way they do things. Things will evolve.

OK, I thought you would have had the acumen to bow out gracefully, but since you did not.....
Here is what I think...

I understand the "feel" of things around here and bitching and whinging is part of the territory.

I understand that you say that is why you come here. Personally, I think it is disrespecting the board and those of us who post here. But that is just me.

I actually met Sasha. She's nice, intelligent, she listens to everyone she interacts with. That's what struck me the most about her

See my earlier comments about learning about damage control. Dude, do you really think we are all fucking morons? Schools out.

My suggestion is that you just walk away with your tail between your legs and pitch this shit where people will actually believe you.

I get it. You need the job. But just don't bring it here.

[softball]

Devolution is for the Irish.....Tiocfaidh ár lá

[MikeSouth]

OK yall I got nuthin against Nina but trust me you do NOT want to hear her speak.

Liz while AVN claims it isnt a consumer show and argue it all you like...fans weren't admitted to the keynote speech it was on the industry only day IIRC.

I know it's a novel idea but why dont we have someone speak who might actually be able to put some value in it...and drag em up a fucking plant or two jesus that looks like it was shoot in the cafeteria at the county lock up

[softball]

Possibly the decor and the room were purposely designed to reflect the barren wilderness of today's porn. The lack of creativity reflecting the skill of the average webmaster. Perhaps a visual allegory contrasting the complexity of character and deep vision of the speaker.
Or was it just a huge fucking fiasco?

[softball]

Oh my God you are a shit disturber. haha...

Cut and paste from two months ago. You really gotta stop drinking or whatever it is that is clouding your judgment.

[Evil Chris]

rhetorical... the mistake you continue to make for years is that you assume people care what you think.

Go see if 12Clicks will give you the time of day.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

rhetorical... the mistake you continue to make for years is that you assume people care what you think.

Go see if 12Clicks will give you the time of day.

Apparently the same applies to you Evil. So, you have to ask yourself whose opinion does really count. I have watched folks over the years and many of those opinionated motherfuckers are gone. And they had all the answers. Many, like 12clicks, tanked their adult business and are back hoping to regain faded glory. And they had all the answers. Some have tried to cut it with their own websites and failed. They had all the answers. Many of them are now working for others, and some have even tripped from failed program to failed program. And they had all the answers. Funny that.
Now at Oprano, I would say you are in the company of folks who have ridden the storm and are successful to varying degrees all on their own initiative and are doing well.
Now, what is curious is, they don't seem to have all the answers.
You have to ask yourself Evil....ten years on...where do you fit and why do you think your opinion is more valuable than say......mine?
Just wondering.

[Toby]

I rest my case.