Post quality gone to shit

[Funbrunette]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Ill show you mine if you show me yours.

That's fair I mean I've seen your boobs! lol (it's my wallpaper)

JoesHO, take a deep breath sweetie you'll be ok smooch! Lose the defense and turn the other cheek...No one is attacking you! Those are just opinions...Everyone has one just like an asshole! Chill!

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by Funbrunette

How about cock size instead? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on peeps! We're all adults no?

why act like a kid then ?
adults would not try to go to someone elses house and argue their point like a kid with an add problem.

if you think this board is not a place for you, Leave. it is simple really .

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by Funbrunette

How about cock size instead? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on peeps! We're all adults no?

I thought you were talking about business, so when Gonzo brings ad revenue into the equation ( since evil chris tried a cock size comparison) you resort to an adult tactic of debate ? and act like revenue does not matter ?

[Funbrunette]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

I thought you were talking about business, so when Gonzo brings ad revenue into the equation ( since evil chris tried a cock size comparison) you resort to an adult tactic of debate ? and act like revenue does not matter ?

I can't even write something bad I think you're adorable! This is so amusing oh and wait I'm getting SIG VIEWS!!!!!! Come on take it easy it's nothing! Sheesh! I thought I had a bad day today...lol

[Evil Chris]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Wanna compare ad revenue?

I don't think you want to go there. Really.

dude stop whining. I'm as regular a poster here as it gets. In case you hadn't noticed, it's been pretty slow round around here lately.

If you and Joe would lighten up a little you might notice things picking up again. Seems every time I come by here in the past few months it's nothing but bitching about drive-by's and yet at the same time tons of links to wine sites that I could give a rat's ass about.

So the title of this thread is dead on. It's up to you to do something about it.
Justify Oprano's existence. That's you job.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

I don't think you want to go there. Really.

dude stop whining. I'm as regular a poster here as it gets. In case you hadn't noticed, it's been pretty slow round around here lately.

If you and Joe would lighten up a little you might notice things picking up again. Seems every time I come by here in the past few months it's nothing but bitching about drive-by's and yet at the same time tons of links to wine sites that I could give a rat's ass about.

So the title of this thread is dead on. It's up to you to do something about it.
Justify Oprano's existence. That's you job.

Not my job in the least. I have a full time job.
I got to admit you got me beat in the whining department though.

But it doesnt matter how much you whine.... Serge aint gonna send you no wine.

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by Evil Chris

I don't think you want to go there. Really.

dude stop whining. I'm as regular a poster here as it gets. In case you hadn't noticed, it's been pretty slow round around here lately.

If you and Joe would lighten up a little you might notice things picking up again. Seems every time I come by here in the past few months it's nothing but bitching about drive-by's and yet at the same time tons of links to wine sites that I could give a rat's ass about.

So the title of this thread is dead on. It's up to you to do something about it.
Justify Oprano's existence. That's you job.

HAHAAHAH well sir again maybe you did not get the memo, we WANT NEWBIES!!! I dont care about the old guard here at all. i dont care whose feelings it hurts . They have zero business, and the newbies at least have a chance at making it in the business instead of proven failures, or at best people that want to be entertained. there are boards for that. and unfortunatly the oldies run off the newbies .

I would be overjoyed if nothing but new people came here everyday and announced their stuff, if nothing else just for my pleasure .

and since I am one of the partners that has bought this board, I think it is up to the three of us to decide what business decisions are to be made here, and " what our job is " it is definatly not to entertain, or to worry about justifying an exsistance of anything .

by the way if you like reds. try www.winetalk.com

wanna trade links with xnations ? LOL

[Funbrunette]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

HAHAAHAH well sir again maybe you did not get the memo, we WANT NEWBIES!!! I dont care about the old guard here at all. i dont care whose feelings it hurts . They have zero business, and the newbies at least have a chance at making it in the business instead of proven failures, or at best people that want to be entertained. there are boards for that. and unfortunatly the oldies run off the newbies .

I would be overjoyed if nothing but new people came here everyday and announced their stuff, if nothing else just for my pleasure .

and since I am one of the partners that has bought this board, I think it is up to the three of us to decide what business decisions are to be made here, and " what our job is " it is definatly not to entertain, or to worry about justifying an exsistance of anything .

by the way if you like reds. try www.winetalk.com

wanna trade links with xnations ? LOL

Ok so what you're saying if I read clear is "well sir again maybe you did not get the memo, we WANT NEWBIES!!! I dont care about the old guard here at all. i dont care whose feelings it hurts . They have zero business, and the newbies at least have a chance at making it in the business instead of proven failures, or at best people that want to be entertained. there are boards for that. and unfortunatly the oldies run off the newbies" You just shot yourself in the foot and shuved your foot up so far in your mouth it came out of your ass! I had to read this 5 times...I thought no way is someone that thick!

Read up peeps it's BLACK ON WHITE!

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

I dont care about the old guard here at all. i dont care whose feelings it hurts . They have zero business, and the newbies at least have a chance at making it in the business instead of proven failures, or at best people that want to be entertained.

Ya know. It gets real tiring to read that shit Joe.

I can remember back when you were just starting, wasn't all that fucking long ago. You ended up doing ok for yourself it appears.



But, ya know what? You sound more like Brad Shaw every single fucking day.


Btw, which category am I in. Zero business? Proven failure? or just wanting entertainment?

[cj]

funbrunette, can I ask you a question?

are you attractive?

[Funbrunette]

Originally Posted by cj

funbrunette, can I ask you a question?

are you attractive?

No I've been wearing a mask or a paper bag on my head since I was born

[JoesHO]

we no longer use chinese hits to try to pump up numbers. as was done in the past here .

what you see now is what you get .

bottom line is, if you are not happy here , leave and go back to nations... have a good trip.

[MonsterPartners]

I think you will see that being said on a lot of boards...boards always go through good times and bad times..patience is key

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by MonsterPartners

I think you will see that being said on a lot of boards...boards always go through good times and bad times..patience is key

Im glad you chimed in here.... can you answer a business question?
Are you guys affilaited with Deecash at some level?

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by MonsterPartners

I think you will see that being said on a lot of boards...boards always go through good times and bad times..patience is key

very true.. man.. that's an old program under a newer name there!! I remember Sports Babes, Cheer Girls, etc from WAY back! Nice to have you guys around here!

[JoesHO]

I will add this, the OLD time Oprano has been gone for a long time , and has been forever changed. those dasys and those people that made it great are no longer here for the most part, and many are no longer in the business.

say what you want about Brad, but he is doing a good job ( I cant believe you actually got me to defend Bradshaw LOL)

and I think the proof is in the pudding, so like him or not his business is successful and his board is a good pklace for people to discuss buisiness as compared with the majority of the other alternatives.

[JoesHO]

and just an FYI, the last people to take over and run oprano, all abandoned you regulars, and have not came back since they deicded to get as far away from you as they could. so did kissing the old guards ass do them any good or the board any good ?

what do you think you actually meant to them ?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

what do you think you actually meant to them ?

A free hat and coffee mug!

[cj]

joe, i'm taking away your lemon and your soap box!

;P

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by cj

joe, i'm taking away your lemon and your soap box!

;P

Take away that bottle of Green Goodness he drinks too.

[Hell Puppy]

I cant even decide where to start adding and taking points first...

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I cant even decide where to start adding and taking points first...

roflmfao... Fuck you hp, you owe me a keyboard.








again

[gonzo]

I guess that Im imagining emails and such between Shemp and myself.
Both Joe and I see it that way as well as a few others around here and I know for a fact that Shemp does.

Remember Im the one that invited him here.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I guess that Im imagining emails and such between Shemp and myself.
Both Joe and I see it that way as well as a few others around here and I know for a fact that Shemp does.

Remember Im the one that invited him here.

Did you reread the thread?

KC, who was not a reg, questioned the TGP model. Shemp and he discussed it some. Then Vick, who has always been against TGP, expressed an opinion as could be expected against tgps.

Noone attacked shemp. Two, out of many questioned the TGP model, while admitting it was here to stay.

So, you guys can remember it the way you want. Unless someone edited the posts, he was never attacked that I can see.

Except by Joesho a while later.

BTW, You announced Shemp arriving in June 04, Shemp had already been here back in March and February and had been welcomed quite warmly by all he encountered.

Shemps first postand his initial reception:
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=31660

Anyway, you guys can remember whatever you want, I thought this was a no spin zone where when we encounter truth, we admit it.

Here's all thethreads Shemp posted in and I can't find anyone being mean to him.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/searc...searchid=21567


Except Joe

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Did you reread the thread?

KC, who was not a reg, questioned the TGP model. Shemp and he discussed it some. Then Vick, who has always been against TGP, expressed an opinion as could be expected against tgps.

Noone attacked shemp. Two, out of many questioned the TGP model, while admitting it was here to stay.

So, you guys can remember it the way you want. Unless someone edited the posts, he was never attacked that I can see.

Except by Joesho a while later.

BTW, You announced Shemp arriving in June 04, Shemp had already been here back in March and February and had been welcomed quite warmly by all he encountered.

Shemps first postand his initial reception:
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=31660

Anyway, you guys can remember whatever you want, I thought this was a no spin zone where when we encounter truth, we admit it.

Here's all thethreads Shemp posted in and I can't find anyone being mean to him.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/searc...searchid=21567


Except Joe

I think this is missing some back story info...

GonZo in particular had been after Shemp to post for nearly a year, ever since he came to Atlanta. Told him we'd love to have him, Oprano really was missing that TGP persepctive and a lot of the players over here were finally testing the TGP waters (which was true at that time).

Now go re-read the thread with that back info.

Did he feel welcomed and that people here were receptive to hearing what he might have to say and bring to the table regarding TGP's? No, it felt more like an attack on his whole business plan. And happened right out of the gate.

His reaction was he didn't need that shit and he bolted. And hasn't had much use for GonZo ever since...

Interesting side impact there was GonZo was brokering some traffic trade deals for TGPs being run by some of the regulars here via Shemp and they were getting some fine traffic from it. Some of the same ones in that thread. That traffic went away...

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I think this is missing some back story info...

GonZo in particular had been after Shemp to post for nearly a year, ever since he came to Atlanta. Told him we'd love to have him, Oprano really was missing that TGP persepctive and a lot of the players over here were finally testing the TGP waters (which was true at that time).

Now go re-read the thread with that back info.

Did he feel welcomed and that people here were receptive to hearing what he might have to say and bring to the table regarding TGP's? No, it felt more like an attack on his whole business plan. And happened right out of the gate.

His reaction was he didn't need that shit and he bolted. And hasn't had much use for GonZo ever since...

Interesting side impact there was GonZo was brokering some traffic trade deals for TGPs being run by some of the regulars here via Shemp and they were getting some fine traffic from it. Some of the same ones in that thread. That traffic went away...

I see I see said the blind man. So business deals got canned.

But, the possibillity is that it isn't the people who expressed their opinion's fault. The thread was initially about the Hun banning paycounters and such. Shemp came in on page 2 and expressed his opinion.

That the rest of the group did not necessarilly agree with him (but actually, if you read the thread, many did) is not the groups fault.

Not to be too sarcastic, becuse I have heard many really great things about Shemp, but did he expect everybody to go "oh you are so smart" or something. He was talking to people who have been in business as long as he was. They were not disrespectful or really harsh (definitely not harsh by webmaster board standards).

It is not the groups fault that shemp left and business blew off. It is not Gonzo's fault that shemp left and business blew off. It sounds to me an awful lot like it's Shemp's fault that he left and business blew off.

(Damn, i am glad I didn't post in that thread, it ain't my fault, that one is for certain)

And that is ancient history for the most part but it probably ought to be looked at for what it really is before decisions are made with that being any part of the underlying base of the decision.

[JR]

thanks for the inspiration guys!
http://www.fuckedwebmaster.com/?p=31

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Not to be too sarcastic, becuse I have heard many really great things about Shemp, but did he expect everybody to go "oh you are so smart" or something. He was talking to people who have been in business as long as he was. They were not disrespectful or really harsh (definitely not harsh by webmaster board standards).

One lesson out of this is you shouldnt talk smack to your benefactor.

Im sure that since he had traffic exchanges running he expected at least common courtesy.

Shemp is one of the nicest and genuine guys in the business. Honestly Sare... I equate this to the kp beatdown you got. Just uncalled for and counter productive all the way around.

That behaviour has gotta change... and thats inclusive of myself!

[SirenaRose]

It's okay guys, I'm back from my vacation, post quality (and quantity) will go up again! hehehe

I've come & gone from many a board, and there is always some sort of drama similar to this...I think the best way to handle it is just to laugh it up and then try to move on & learn & grow from it. Nobody's feelers need to get hurt!

Now I'm going back into my n00b corner where the free donuts & mugs & hats are...

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by SirenaRose

Now I'm going back into my n00b corner where the free
donuts & mugs & hats are...

Youll have to drive to Charlotte or PHX. Teeshirts and hats were left up there and Joe is taking the washable mug to the Forum.

[SirenaRose]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Youll have to drive to Charlotte or PHX. Teeshirts and hats were left up there and Joe is taking the washable mug to the Forum.

Damn, I just got home from vacation and already have to retrain for my job...I can't afford another vacation! LOL

[gonzo]

I dont need to read a thread to know how many times the man has chewed my ass for bringing him over here to what he feels was an ass raping.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I dont need to read a thread to know how many times the man has chewed my ass for bringing him over here to what he feels was an ass raping.

I have read the thread many times because there is lots of good info there on how to make money off of TGPs, some by shemp, some by others.

I have the thread bookmarked in my business folder and I have never understood what Shemp took wrong from that thread.

edited in: But, I don't know Shemp.

[Jace]

fuck all this cheesy drama shit

what will it take to get some of you to send me traffic?

hehe

[Vick]

I am the one held (and rightly so) responsible for running Shemp off

What I did was challenge (in no uncertain terms) a business model that has cost this industry MILLIONS of dollars. I don't care how you want to wrap it that's the bottom line

I also personally went and looked and tore apart for public inspection some of Shemps business model

Shemps explanation was he felt he didn't have to explain the right for TGP's to exist as he had already done that


What few know if I offered to try to speak to Shemp and apologize to have him come back (only becasue Gonzo had put effort into getting him here and thought that was a good thing, obviously I was of a different opinion and the other "owner" at the time agreed with me that Shemp was thin skinned about the whole issue)

and what you and I call productive (or fine) traffic might be 2 very different things

If you want to say it go ahead, no need for innuendo

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Vick

I am the one held (and rightly so) responsible for running Shemp off

What I did was challenge (in no uncertain terms) a business model that has cost this industry MILLIONS of dollars. I don't care how you want to wrap it that's the bottom line

I also personally went and looked and tore apart for public inspection some of Shemps business model

Shemps explanation was he felt he didn't have to explain the right for TGP's to exist as he had already done that


What few know if I offered to try to speak to Shemp and apologize to have him come back (only becasue Gonzo had put effort into getting him here and thought that was a good thing, obviously I was of a different opinion and the other "owner" at the time agreed with me that Shemp was thin skinned about the whole issue)

and what you and I call productive (or fine) traffic might be 2 very different things

If you want to say it go ahead, no need for innuendo

Do you call 30K a month commission unproductive traffic?
I dont.
Ive never made 30K in my LIFE in one month off of all my sites combined.

Have you? Im really trying to put this in perspective Vick. Cuz I sure as fuck dont understand where your coming from. And no Im not talking about Shemp.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Do you call 30K a month commission unproductive traffic?
I dont.
Ive never made 30K in my LIFE in one month off of all my sites combined.

Have you? Im really trying to put this in perspective Vick. Cuz I sure as fuck dont understand where your coming from. And no Im not talking about Shemp.

Ah the sound of one hand clapping.....
What an entertaining thread. And I thought this was where the big money playas...well...played.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Ah the sound of one hand clapping.....
What an entertaining thread. And I thought this was where the big money playas...well...played.

Ah the sound of a blow hard who brags all the time about all the cash he makes but wants to keep everything all secret. Why dont you tell us all again how you are at carnivale but posting like mad on webmaster boards.

Better yet why dont you tell us how well your affiliate program is doing?

Maybe Serge wont pick on baby pee pee Graham and run him off so fast this time.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Ah the sound of a blow hard who brags all the time about all the cash he makes but wants to keep everything all secret. Why dont you tell us all again how you are at carnivale but posting like mad on webmaster boards.

Better yet why dont you tell us how well your affiliate program is doing?

Maybe Serge wont pick on baby pee pee Graham and run him off so fast this time.

Proggy does well. Thanks for asking. Carnaval is over and I am back on the west coast. FYI, Gonzo, in case you didn't know, they have internet in Brasil and Argentina now. Hell they even have cell phones. Just thought I would keep you au current with modern technology.
As for pee pee stuff, well, that is part of the reason this thread exists....because of those kinds of posts. I don't run away. I just don't want to be part of that childish shit.
I was just surprised at your admission, that is all. I thought you were one of the ones that actually did well on the net.
Good luck and I hope you can pull the board up by its bootstraps. It does have a lot of potential and at least the traffic is now real.

[slavdogg]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Do you call 30K a month commission unproductive traffic?
I dont.
Ive never made 30K in my LIFE in one month off of all my sites combined.

Have you? Im really trying to put this in perspective Vick. Cuz I sure as fuck dont understand where your coming from. And no Im not talking about Shemp.

Gonzo, are you saying that Shemp makes 30k a month from all his traffic sites ??
WOW, woopty fuckin doo,
thats chicken shit on the web man.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

Gonzo, are you saying that Shemp makes 30k a month from all his traffic sites ??
WOW, woopty fuckin doo,
thats chicken shit on the web man.

Nope. I have no idea what Shemp makes.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

Gonzo, are you saying that Shemp makes 30k a month from all his traffic sites ??
WOW, woopty fuckin doo,
thats chicken shit on the web man.

Slav... I know you are the man when it comes to selling and buying domain names. How do you determine the worth of a domain?

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Slav... I know you are the man when it comes to selling and buying domain names. How do you determine the worth of a domain?

This is a good question, especially today. In fact it sound be a whole other thread Gonzo.

[JoesHO]

How aam I tryng to re write history Sarretah?

Just because I was one of the assholes in the shemp case. does not excuse it.

what about all the others mentioned?

and I am not the one who said Oprano is slow, in fact it is not. we are getting more posters than the previous administration had by a long shot ( some of you call it spam, I call it new blood potential)

Nor am I saying that we are defending anything someone else says, I am telling you the direction we are going to go, period.

again, I dont give a fuck if you think it is bullshit or not, the changes will be made, stay or go. it makes no difference to me . you were gone once and Oprano did not die without you as you already said, and you did not die without Oprano. If yuou like it here then please come by often, if you dont then go wherever you want to.

I want the real businessmen, and the newbies. I think you are niether , but I do enjoy your conversation. you can be pissed or hurt or put aside or whatever . but those are the facts .

[JoesHO]

Let me clarify, by saying businessmen, I eman the people on the level I mentioned that have decided to not come here in my earlier post, I do not mean you are not in business, sarretah .

[Vick]

Wow so much at once

First off CJ is that really you??!!
How are ya? How's life on the bottom of the world? great to see ya (so to speak)

I reread some of the thread cross refed here and damn I actually discussed business


Gonzo, not sure what you are saying but is 30K a month unproductive? FUCK NO!. -
well maybe if you could have made 500K a month off the same traffic a different way it might be ....
Once again my gift for the obvious shines through


Joesho - while you're opening up the door to kick the old guard out remember
Which of the old guard helped bust your chops when you first came here and you earned your wings and spot here damn it ;-)

If you don't want that here now it's your place and I don't have the time, energy or inclination for it anymore anyway

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Vick

Gonzo, not sure what you are saying but is 30K a month unproductive? FUCK NO!. -
well maybe if you could have made 500K a month off the same traffic a different way it might be ....
Once again my gift for the obvious shines through

Damn player. Which site did you make 500K a month off of?

[Vick]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Damn player. Which site did you make 500K a month off of?

Not me, I just make enough to keep of welfare and take 2 disney vacations a year ;-)

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Vick

Not me, I just make enough to keep of welfare and take 2 disney vacations a year ;-)

Once again my gift for the obvious shines through ....

Hahaha and I hear you.
Theres a Kimmy Kim quote I could use here that she told me once but I will refrain!

Business models change...and so does Oprano!

[cj]

Originally Posted by Vick

Wow so much at once

First off CJ is that really you??!!
How are ya? How's life on the bottom of the world? great to see ya (so to speak)

its really me ;-)
I figured it was time for my 6 monthly stir up! hehehehhee


Regarding the Shemp situation, we all went oprano on his ass, but honestly that dude had no intention of sharing any real information with us about his business model - just like none of us really did when we were at the top of the food chain.

The food chain moves, and as with every industry but this one more than any, the most important thing is keeping up with changes and staying on top of moving technology. A lot of us made the mistake of thinking things should stay the same, because it worked for us.

And look at it this way ... why would anyone want to answer serious questions about their business to doubters, when he could be getting his ass kissed by morons who don't know any better?

Its the Lensman/GFY principal - better for the ego to be the king, even if it is king of rotting garbage.