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Originally posted by Carrie@Apr 7 2004, 02:08 AM Hoop, with the money you make, you ARE the minority.
Bush's tax cuts are commonly bashed as being for the rich, but they're not. They've mainly benefited the lower middle-class folks which I have to assume you're above (having seen your boat, hehe).
His other tax breaks (like increasing the child credit) have greatly benefited poor folks - again which you're not.
Don't assume that his cuts/breaks only affect a minority because you yourself were not affected.
Carrie,
Most of bush's tax cuts have affected fewer than 100k people/homes. They sound nice, they sound like they benefit the middle class, but they have very little real world impact.
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Mike, why do you have to sink to name calling all the time now? Are you lacking in any good response to the points mentioned?
Assclown will go for all porn. The site of the naked breast(s) on the "justice is blind" statue located in the room where he would give press confernces was enough to merit a cover. This man thinks all porn, even the softest "nudes" to be an offence to god, thus to him, and thus to all american people.
Mike, every one of your amateur sites where the girl is playing with a toy is more than enough for him.
You are a pornographer. The Bush administration is actively anti-porn. Not "porn is bad, m'kay" but "were are coming for you, your going to rot in hell or the worst jails we can find you perverts!". They have actively spent time and money to hire people and get ready to attack.
I think I know what their trigger is going to be... what their excuse will be. The Surpreme court will soon rule (once again) that COPA II isn't constitutional. Assclown will come out and say how horrible it is, and then start arresting people for all sorts of things, trying to get something to stick. They will certainly go after stuff that is more extreme, but I am also sure they will go for every major player / company in online porn looking for ways to screw everything up. As an interrelated and heavily cross dependant industry, removing the major paychecks for even a few weeks would pretty much put most people out of business. Imagine the top 5 or 10 programs with their bank accounts frozen and their offices closed "during investigation". Every one of their servers seized and shut off... imagine companies like CCBill and Ibill seized for aiding and abetting the illegal distribution of porn? I don't say the charges would stick, but you can see how easy it is for one man with a bad temper and no tolerance to screw things up.
cj: The interesting thing about sponsor galleries is that the sponsors end up directly responsible for the distribution of free porn. They then start to expose themselves to much higher legal risks in assclown land.
Alex
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Apr 7 2004, 10:12 AM Mike, why do you have to sink to name calling all the time now? Are you lacking in any good response to the points mentioned?
Assclown will go for all porn. The site of the naked breast(s) on the "justice is blind" statue located in the room where he would give press confernces was enough to merit a cover. This man thinks all porn, even the softest "nudes" to be an offence to god, thus to him, and thus to all american people.
Mike, every one of your amateur sites where the girl is playing with a toy is more than enough for him.
You are a pornographer. The Bush administration is actively anti-porn. Not "porn is bad, m'kay" but "were are coming for you, your going to rot in hell or the worst jails we can find you perverts!". They have actively spent time and money to hire people and get ready to attack.
I think I know what their trigger is going to be... what their excuse will be. The Surpreme court will soon rule (once again) that COPA II isn't constitutional. Assclown will come out and say how horrible it is, and then start arresting people for all sorts of things, trying to get something to stick. They will certainly go after stuff that is more extreme, but I am also sure they will go for every major player / company in online porn looking for ways to screw everything up. As an interrelated and heavily cross dependant industry, removing the major paychecks for even a few weeks would pretty much put most people out of business. Imagine the top 5 or 10 programs with their bank accounts frozen and their offices closed "during investigation". Every one of their servers seized and shut off... imagine companies like CCBill and Ibill seized for aiding and abetting the illegal distribution of porn? I don't say the charges would stick, but you can see how easy it is for one man with a bad temper and no tolerance to screw things up.
cj: The interesting thing about sponsor galleries is that the sponsors end up directly responsible for the distribution of free porn. They then start to expose themselves to much higher legal risks in assclown land.
Alex
Alex, I understand that ALL politicans are anti-porn, at least publicly and they will scape goat us if it benefits them.
My only point is the vast crackdown predicted by many from Ashcroft has never appeared.
As far as names, they either fit with Hoop or he is telling a fib, because the tax breaks Bush passed were for INCOME. I am almost finished my taxs, and I have seen what the cuts did for my tax bill. I am sure Hooper makes more then I do, so he saved even more.
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Vick: Assclown don't want sucessful prosecutions, those aren't needed. All they want to do is send a chill. What better chill than to stop the flow of cash? Even 15 days would be enough to throw this industry into a tailspin. Even with the best of lawyers, it could take months to undo seizure notices on servers, content, etc. Imagine being required to provide 2257 documentation for every single image on every single server. Even with a while team and excellent records, you would still be looking at weeks of work.
More importantly, imagine that the processing companies get dragged into it, RICO charges, whatever. Suddenly they get raided, shut down, all servers seized... even if the charges don't stick, the onlien porn industry would be damaged for many years to come.
Mike: Assclown has hired the man. He has made an attempt on COPA. This is all timed to be a major offensive leading up to the election. We should start a pool on the day it will start. It will come, this year, before the elections. Maybe right after Miami show? The feds could drop in there, act like porn people, collect business cards, names, and such. People brag all sorts shit at parties.
As for taxes, well, I am Canadian, so I can't comment.
Alex
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Apr 7 2004, 10:47 AM Vick: Assclown don't want sucessful prosecutions, those aren't needed. All they want to do is send a chill. What better chill than to stop the flow of cash? Even 15 days would be enough to throw this industry into a tailspin. Even with the best of lawyers, it could take months to undo seizure notices on servers, content, etc. Imagine being required to provide 2257 documentation for every single image on every single server. Even with a while team and excellent records, you would still be looking at weeks of work.
More importantly, imagine that the processing companies get dragged into it, RICO charges, whatever. Suddenly they get raided, shut down, all servers seized... even if the charges don't stick, the onlien porn industry would be damaged for many years to come.
Alex - If that's what it takes ......
The industry is in pain already, there is going to be more pain one way or another
I'd rather have it quick then this dragged out attrition we've seen over the past few years
That being said, on a personal level I don't want to see anyone lose their livelihood
but on a business level ...... Bring it and quick!
Nothing personal, just business
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I think quite a few people are missing the point of the article.
Obscenity prossecutions have nothing to do with free, pay, accessible by minors, or any of the "good things" that have been pointed out.
Every obscenity prossecution that has ever happened in the US has been for distributing to paying adults.
They will haul whoever they feel like into court in "Tight Ass Utah" (a fictional town in the middle of God land) and throw your ass in jail for a couple lifetimes.
The ONLY reason they have not happened is 9/11, and getting the WMD's in Iraq.
Yes they will start with the most extreme stuff to build a caseload, but John Asshat will noty stop untill
A. - He is out of office (which I pray for every day)
B. - Adult material can not be purchased in the US
Yes they will start with the most extreme stuff to build a caseload, but John Asshat will noty stop untill
A. - He is out of office (which I pray for every day)
B. - Adult material can not be purchased in the US
And yes I still pray for this clown's death
your nuts.
you guys are kidding yourselves if you think politicians are going to go berzerk this way. wont happen.
look at how much problem the government has had in trying to legislate something to fight child porn. we do have a legal system that works quite well you know?
Originally posted by OldJeff@Apr 7 2004, 11:06 AM Obscenity prossecutions have nothing to do with free, pay, accessible by minors, or any of the "good things" that have been pointed out.
I'll respectfully disagree with you on that point
If Obscenity prosecutions started for on line porn watch everyone put hard material behind age checks of some sort, even if the obscenity prosecution was about something that was paid for material
Don't you think praying for Ashcroft's death is a bit ironic? maybe even a delicious irony
Yes I know it's a fantasy but I still root for COPA to become law
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The Feds normal mode of operation is to go after and disrupt the lines of distribution. Midsize is uaually a good target. They usually don't have the big bucks to fight it & so they MAKE DEALS..... The Feds don't even have to really make their case. Just intimidate enough to make their point. They love to use medium size players that they think have information, that will help them up the line. Their biggest tool is INTIMIDATION.... and people fall for it.
This industry still needs a lot of cleaning up, that is a given. But, will they stop there? That is the big question. They haven't eradicated 'kitty porn yet - so why are they diluting their efforts to go after legal porn? I think they shoud finish the job they set out to do there, before moving on.
As far as spam - it seems that the porn companies honor the 'do not send a lot more than the people peddling meds.......The mainstream companies spam in my mailbox is about 10 to 1. They constantly misspell to get by the filters. Why in the world would companies continue to spam people who are not the least bit interested in their products? NO - I don't want to enlarge my penis.... :-)
Once you start talking about "vanilla porn" we are SO far down the totem pole as far as big targets.
ATT, GE, HBO, etc. all do millions more in traffic than we can dream of. Will Ashcroft go after them? Doubtful. Worrying about actual prosecution at the federal level for anything "vanilla" is premature, IMHO.
I havent done my taxes yet this year Mike, we generally file an extension and file in October, so I havent seen the tax break yet. You may very well be right. I wasnt saying that there were no "for the rich" tax breaks, I was pointing out that most of his "for the poor & middle" breaks affected so few people that they were virtually pointless.
In any case, the meni comment wasnt necessary, i'll be over at weasel's board if you need me.
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Before I go I will also point out that while we are busy softening up all our tours (see http://www.annsxxx.com ) and eliminating the highest risk sites (we killed our weird no hand guy site a few weeks ago) during an audit by our first ammendment attorneys they noted that whats in your members area can get you an obscenity prosecution just as well as your tours can.
Basically the difference is that if it's on the tour you are full well providing the content to people who have not yet even made an attempt to verify their age... which is copa grounds + obscenity grounds.
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Originally posted by Hooper@Apr 7 2004, 11:49 AM I havent done my taxes yet this year Mike, we generally file an extension and file in October, so I havent seen the tax break yet. You may very well be right. I wasnt saying that there were no "for the rich" tax breaks, I was pointing out that most of his "for the poor & middle" breaks affected so few people that they were virtually pointless.
In any case, the meni comment wasnt necessary, i'll be over at weasel's board if you need me.
Your post on taxs was as ignorant as Meni's posts.... you were called on it. You should be pepaired to defend your posts, especially when they are filled with wrong information.
My posts on Oprano are made as me personally, not as an owner of Oprano. I could have easily flamed you on a dozen other boards, would you leave them as well? If you want to head to a board where everyone pats you on the back, and says "you the man" on every post, enjoy.
First and formost Oprano is a no-spin zone.... if you cannot handle it, well you know the rest.
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Originally posted by Hooper@Apr 7 2004, 11:52 AM Before I go I will also point out that while we are busy softening up all our tours (see http://www.annsxxx.com ) and eliminating the highest risk sites (we killed our weird no hand guy site a few weeks ago) during an audit by our first ammendment attorneys they noted that whats in your members area can get you an obscenity prosecution just as well as your tours can.
Basically the difference is that if it's on the tour you are full well providing the content to people who have not yet even made an attempt to verify their age... which is copa grounds + obscenity grounds.
Knowing where you content is from, and making sure that all the paperwork is in order is a EXTREMELY good point.
There are a lot of people out there cranking out content who do not have proper paperwork on. Many times it is just sloppyness, other times its intentional.
This is a problem not only in dealing with criminal issues with the feds, but also potential civil suits as well.
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Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Apr 7 2004, 01:13 PM I never said a thing about COPA not increasing profits. I said freedom is more important to me than profits because there is ALWAYS another way to make profits.
and I say PROFITS ARE FREEDOM!!!!
Strike a blow for Freedom
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Originally posted by dantheman@Apr 7 2004, 01:29 PM interesting blog read the first item and then the reponses : )
Interesting reading Dan. Not only on porn but Iraq as well.
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1- I'm wondering about the economics of a crackdown.
The russians are pumping more and more stuff, of more and more quality than the local outfits seems able to keep pace with.
Then, it'll be south east asia.
So what does Ashcroft thinks he'll be saving victimized viewers from ?
The ONLY way to control porn is to control what's circulating on the net, a big filtering proxy server for the whole nation.
They do it in China.
A study done on the topic of censorship in China, conducted mainly by phoning local modems ISP's in China and surfing for various stuff showed that 90% of the porn was available but that they blocked most news sites, Google, other search engines, sites about science, medicine, politics, etc.
What did you Ben Franklin said ? That those willing to trade liberty for safety will get (or deserve?) none in the end ?
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