An observation on the current business...

[softball]

I have noticed in the past few months on various boards...including Oprano, that there is a chill in the air. There is a lot of bickering over small issues and small sums. There is a lot of finger pointing at ex "partners" for various problems, failures, and scams. There is wave of insults and attempts to trash people's businesses (competition?). And there are a lot of cash programme failures, or businesses on the market at some very "attractive" prices. There seems to be a war in the content world with big undercutting sales. All in all a malaise in the porn world.
When anyone mentions the "downturn" in the economy, there are the usual "I'm kicking ass this month" responses, and maybe some are. However, more and more are agreeing. The specter of tube sites is everywhere. The same people that are bitching about them on one board, are asking for advice on how to start one or monetize them on another.
All in all it ain't pretty. For the first time ever, it kind of feels that the market is very, very oversold and there is a frenzy of panic.
This might be a little colourful, but I do feel a chill in the air.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I have noticed in the past few months on various boards...including Oprano, that there is a chill in the air. There is a lot of bickering over small issues and small sums. There is a lot of finger pointing at ex "partners" for various problems, failures, and scams. There is wave of insults and attempts to trash people's businesses (competition?). And there are a lot of cash programme failures, or businesses on the market at some very "attractive" prices. There seems to be a war in the content world with big undercutting sales. All in all a malaise in the porn world.
When anyone mentions the "downturn" in the economy, there are the usual "I'm kicking ass this month" responses, and maybe some are. However, more and more are agreeing. The specter of tube sites is everywhere. The same people that are bitching about them on one board, are asking for advice on how to start one or monetize them on another.
All in all it ain't pretty. For the first time ever, it kind of feels that the market is very, very oversold and there is a frenzy of panic.
This might be a little colourful, but I do feel a chill in the air.

Sit back and enjoy the ride!
I am.

[Toby]

I think the observation is more or less accurate. There is definitely a thinning of the herd taking place, and not just in the adult biz.

Some will depart gracefully, others will go down in flames, and there's always some trying to find a way to make a quick buck on other's misfortune.

[helix]

As the profit margins get tight, the business's that run a tight ship will survive. The business's that employ a fast and sloppy business plan will die off, be absorbed, sell out etc..

Fresh from GFY
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=823774

[miz_wright]

I'm laothe to blame something like tube sites - for a lot of reasons, but primary among them is that every time there are economic uncertainties in the broader market, there are a few things that happen:

1) Shoppers begin looking more often at deep-discount items,
2) Small business owners have a harder time staying afloat,
3) Credit begins to tighten. and
4) Marktes as a whole contract and consolodate.

Why should adult be any different? and most everything that you mention (backbiting, etc) are very common when times are tight. And a lot fo the things I am seeing mentioned here I think are strongly attributable to the larger economic picture. It's tough to justify paying for porn when you're looking at paying $40 to fill an economy car - and much, much more if you drive anything with horsepower - and you are looking down the barrel of a tightening job market.

[MRock]

Fuck it ... I'm expanding! It's never as bad as it's made out to be (the economy), and it's ony "bad" until another fiasco happens for some more sensational coverage. Here is an honest disclosure: Had a few more chargebacks than usual this month, but my sales are steady or up on all of my little gumball machines .... The coolest thing about being amateur is that it's just us, no partners or investors to answer to. The fray you refer is amusing and I'm gonna take a seat next to Gonzo to watch.

[softball]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

I'm laothe to blame something like tube sites - for a lot of reasons, but primary among them is that every time there are economic uncertainties in the broader market, there are a few things that happen:

1) Shoppers begin looking more often at deep-discount items,
2) Small business owners have a harder time staying afloat,
3) Credit begins to tighten. and
4) Marktes as a whole contract and consolodate.

Why should adult be any different? and most everything that you mention (backbiting, etc) are very common when times are tight. And a lot fo the things I am seeing mentioned here I think are strongly attributable to the larger economic picture. It's tough to justify paying for porn when you're looking at paying $40 to fill an economy car - and much, much more if you drive anything with horsepower - and you are looking down the barrel of a tightening job market.

But porn is "recession proof".....lol
BTW, if you know anyone that needs a job, there is a huge labour shortage in Western Canada. Some businesses have gone under because they can't get staff. There are help wanted signs all over Vancouver and construction cranes everywhere. If you can hold a hammer you are working. However,its the American economy that unfortunately makes up a huge per centage of our business.

[softball]

Originally Posted by helix

As the profit margins get tight, the business's that run a tight ship will survive. The business's that employ a fast and sloppy business plan will die off, be absorbed, sell out etc..

Fresh from GFY
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=823774

Interesting thread.....

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Interesting thread.....

Traffic matters. Lets see how much it matters to some of Freeones sponsors.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by helix

As the profit margins get tight, the business's that run a tight ship will survive. The business's that employ a fast and sloppy business plan will die off, be absorbed, sell out etc..

Fresh from GFY
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=823774

I just read through this thread and I can't believe the sheep just falling in line. Freeones wants everyone to pay them 70% because they are feeling the crunch....talk about short sighted idiots! Right there is your "fast and sloppy business plan", a company that just bounces really shit traffic around trying to dictate percentages to the sponsors they use to pay their bills. But the sad thing is, many of the sheep will fall for it. Not only are the sponsors working with a weak dollar, they will be get even less of it, and many think it's just fine.

Years ago, when the boys were swinging their dicks around, showing off about who could pay out more, and raising RevShare to 50%, I thought they were just plain crazy. It made no business sense whatsoever. Now we're hitting on 70% pay-outs! Madness, and a fully failing business model.

[softball]

But the sad thing is, many of the sheep will fall for it.

But Danny, that is just business. From what I saw, they will get what they want. Personally, I don't give a shit. They will be the first adopters of this, and ultimately it will kill the golden goose. However, many will make a killing out of adversity, and these guys are really fucking smart. But they have the converting traffic.