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Old 01-19-2008   #1
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Default Some thoughts on Vegas

Heres the bottom line after 10 days inclusive of AEE.

AEE exhibitors were totally full BUT there was all shorts of bullshit on the main floor including 2 teeth whitening booths , a bong display , some golf bullshit and now the fake church people on the floor scamming for prayer donations.

I have pics but I havent loaded them up yet.

The ATTENDEES were a bit off from last year and the room of dildos downstairs is now infested with the B2B room with programs and Ynot even had a table.

It was a good show for me on many levels... then we move to Internext.

The Palms was consistant... consistantly clueless when it came to no service.

Many people were bumped to another hotel due to overbooking. I even saw the "mighty"12clicks screaming for a room but then again that was the last I saw of him.

The rooms there were nice. I stayed in the other tower in the Oprano suite away from all the cool kids. The Kingpin Suite that AEBN had was a solid investment.

I wouldnt be so happy if I were in any of the other ones.

John Albright...why did you rent the celebrity suite only to have it locked down even thru the open house?

As a client I was disappointed not to be able to speak with you in private about the past security issues. I did find it curious that when I did see you that you were hobnobbing with Corvette from CCBill.

The show floor? If you can call it that. Couches in a nightclub scattered around isnt what I would call a show floor. However they needed to try something new.

What did work was a pure networking format. It worked well for those of us that chose to use it for what it was.

The seminars sucked pure ass. Ive never seen so much misinformation spread out like shit on a cracker for uninformed people to gobble up.

Hey Top Bucks... are you really that clueless about whats going with VOD to recommend that everyone convert all their video content over to FLASH? Aint no spin on this one. I listened to your girl preach that shit thru an entire seminar.

And if you think your going to Vegas on the cheap for either of these shows... not unless you walk to every venue, eat and stay at the imperial palace.

This show has become expensive.

Even had me considering becoming a dinner whore for a minute.

Bottom line if your looking to expose yourself to consumers AEE is a solid investment...if your looking to do some networking with people you might only see once a year then the new Internext format could work out for you.
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I only went for Internext and not AEE, but I largely agree....

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They apparently dont do a lot of convention type business, and it showed, they were not prepared for the crowd. The property itself is pretty nice, rooms and suites are well furnished and large. But they are trying to be upscale yet hotel operations just was not on their game this week.

Everyone I talked to checking in Sunday had a hard time, me included. They didn't have the room I had reserved, which made me mad as hell, and pretty much insures I'll never be back. The poor kid they had in charge of the desk while this was going on knew nothing about service and prioritization, he just defended the hotel position and quoted policy.

They did try to fix it by giving me a free night and the moving me into a suite better than the one I had reserved the next morning. The room I ultimately ended up in was great, but I'm not the type of customer who money means much to. I planned the trip in October and made my reservations then, I expect what I had reserved to be available or if not something better IMMEDIATELY, not the next morning. They coulda comp'd the whole trip and I woulda still been annoyed. Hard for me to ever want to come back if I know my room might not be available when I get there.

And it was more than that, I've never seen a casino floor that had slots shut down at anytime of the day or night. I went down at 4AM one morning and couldn't find a slot that was online to take my money. Also no matter the time of day or night I seemed to constantly be dodging trash carriers....you'd think they'd know what "back of house" means.

Food on site was mediocre to bad, with the exception of N9ne. Slots were the tightest I've ever seen. Only thing I found remotely loose was video poker, which was obviously a draw for the locals. Oh, and in their wisdom, during a porn show, they run a free pull promotion on megabucks. The blue hairs were lined up out the door while the porn lords were running around.

Even the wait staff didn't seem to get it. I settled in to drink at Pai Gow one night, tip the waitress like $20 on the first free drink figuring I'd be hooked up. Didn't see her again for 45 minutes.

All this is stuff that just doesn't happen at any of the other properties i"ve stayed at.

Sorry, I had a rant brewing there....more about the show itself in a moment...
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Overall, I like the format change. Bt I think they need to learn from the issues at this show. I also think they need a better venue. I'll have a hard time going next year if it's at the Palms.

One of the things I liked about the format is it did do a better job than previous vegas shows of getting everyone in the same place at the same time as there wasn't any other decent accomodations nearby. But that's the problem, I am not happy with the Palms, and I think it's just a tad too small for the show. They're on my shit list, and I'd hate to end up staying with the rejects over at the Gold Coast, Rio, Caesars or Wynn or wherever.

The show floor in a night club was kinda odd. There was no natural traffic pattern. I think I missed a half dozen or more sponsors cuz I didn't notice they had them stuck up in the rafters. I do like the more casual show floor approach though, just needs to be something in there to lure everyone in at the same time so you can actually see everyone.

Therein lies my big fault with the show. There are quite a few people I know were at the show that I wanted to talk to that I never bumped into. I hit the show floor a handful of times. I spent time each day at the circle bar. And when it came time for the parties and suites, I pretty much opted to stay in one place and enjoy the hospitality of the AEBN crew, since I know a few of them well, as that seemed to be where everyone passed thru sooner or later.

But still I missed a few folks.

The seminars, well, I've never gone to the shows for those to begin with. I attended a couple, that probably doubles the number I've attended in last 5 years. They were better than in the past, but that still doesn't say much. The problems with seminars in general are two fold...

1) The people on the panel have their own agenda, they are marketing their product.

2) The people in the crowd are like squirrels hunting a nut.

GonZo already pointed out the chick telling everyone to convert VOD to flash. I cant even begin to tell you what's wrong with that. But we'll start with the fact that VOD by it's nature is one business model that can afford DRM and DRM is tailor made for it.

But I digress. My favorite question from the floor was why can you pay the original referrer of a surfer to a site the payout instead of the last one to send him over. This guy reckons that if he sends a surfer to xyz.com and that surfer buys nothing then, but hits the site again 8 months later send from some other affiliate, then he should get paid as the original referrer who turned the guy onto the site to begin with.

Forget the technical issues of that. And let's forget that the guy is a moron because he doesn't realize he failed to sell the surfer whereas the second guy sold him on signing up. The real tell here is this guy is hard up enough for his $30 that he wants it even if it is a year later.
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Overall Thoughts

Hated the hotel. See some potential in new format with some polish and a better location. Seminars were what they always are. Decent parties.

Oh that reminds me of one other thing I hated. On the suite floors they did not do a good job of keeping non-industry people out. It could've gotten bad on a busier week in vegas if word about free booze and partying with porn stars was available. I always get nervous when non-industry mixes in because they have perceptions about what is and is not ok with the girls in particular. It can be a little dangerous.

But anyhow, I personally got a lot of business done.

I hooked up a few new deals. We have a lot of new things we're going to do and roll out in the next few weeks and months. We even made a couple of strategic hires and will be looking to do more of those. We'll make some announcements and introductions at the appropriate time.

I'm also reworking a lot of my business and will be removing quite a few sponsors and adding some new ones, ditto for some of my vendors. I laid some good ground work there. And for those who seemed to be ducking us, oh well, I'll point it all elsewhere.

A lot more work than fun this trip, though I did get to spend some time in the company of the lovely miss Trisha Uptown. If she'll go to a couple of more dinners with us, we'll fix that problem she was having with her pants being too loose. But seriously, there's a lot more than just a pretty face and hot body there guys. She's the real deal, doing her own site and taking care of her customers first hand, not just a front for some big company.

And big thanks to AEBN for all of their hospitality. The Kingpin suite was about twice the size of the others and AEBN was by far the most hospitable of all of the sponsors. Looks like a few jackasses tried to take advantage of that, but no harm was done as it was very professionally run with good security on hand. I think everyone who went in there had a great time.

For the record, even as jaded as I am, I dont think I've ever seen naked bowling before....

We'll see what I have in the camera later...it was dark in there, dont know what I was able to pull out.
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Oh that reminds me of one other thing I hated. On the suite floors they did not do a good job of keeping non-industry people out. It could've gotten bad on a busier week in vegas if word about free booze and partying with porn stars was available. I always get nervous when non-industry mixes in because they have perceptions about what is and is not ok with the girls in particular. It can be a little dangerous...
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And big thanks to AEBN for all of their hospitality. The Kingpin suite was about twice the size of the others and AEBN was by far the most hospitable of all of the sponsors. Looks like a few jackasses tried to take advantage of that, but no harm was done as it was very professionally run with good security on hand. I think everyone who went in there had a great time.
HellPuppy - It was good to meet you, though I wish I could've had a little more time to actually chat! Thanks so much for the kind words about our suite and staff - it's always nice to see effort and hard work appreciated!
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Hated the hotel. See some potential in new format with some polish and a better location. Seminars were what they always are. Decent parties.

Oh that reminds me of one other thing I hated. On the suite floors they did not do a good job of keeping non-industry people out. It could've gotten bad on a busier week in vegas if word about free booze and partying with porn stars was available. I always get nervous when non-industry mixes in because they have perceptions about what is and is not ok with the girls in particular. It can be a little dangerous.

But anyhow, I personally got a lot of business done.

I hooked up a few new deals. We have a lot of new things we're going to do and roll out in the next few weeks and months. We even made a couple of strategic hires and will be looking to do more of those. We'll make some announcements and introductions at the appropriate time.

I'm also reworking a lot of my business and will be removing quite a few sponsors and adding some new ones, ditto for some of my vendors. I laid some good ground work there. And for those who seemed to be ducking us, oh well, I'll point it all elsewhere.

A lot more work than fun this trip, though I did get to spend some time in the company of the lovely miss Trisha Uptown. If she'll go to a couple of more dinners with us, we'll fix that problem she was having with her pants being too loose. But seriously, there's a lot more than just a pretty face and hot body there guys. She's the real deal, doing her own site and taking care of her customers first hand, not just a front for some big company.

And big thanks to AEBN for all of their hospitality. The Kingpin suite was about twice the size of the others and AEBN was by far the most hospitable of all of the sponsors. Looks like a few jackasses tried to take advantage of that, but no harm was done as it was very professionally run with good security on hand. I think everyone who went in there had a great time.

For the record, even as jaded as I am, I dont think I've ever seen naked bowling before....

We'll see what I have in the camera later...it was dark in there, dont know what I was able to pull out.
It was great to hang out with you as well.
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The show was good for us in general, I like the changes that AVN made. The Kingpin Suite was pretty damn cool too.... thanks to AEBN for giving us a place to party, and the substances to MAKE it a party. Meaning... all the vodka I could drink. LOL

As for The Palms.... it's a split decision. I liked the facilities, my room was decent. The suites were very cool. BUT... I couldn't help shake the feeling that serious assholes ran that place. Overbooking the rooms was just criminal. And I understand they turned up the heat for the entire hotel because the owner's mother was staying there and she wanted it warmer. Unbelievable.

I didn't attend most of the seminars, but whoever moderated that legal panel... now HE did a fantastic job!
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I even saw the "mighty"12clicks screaming for a room but then again that was the last I saw of him.
considering I never noticed any fat guys in bad hawiian shirts, I can only imagine when you dreamt this story up. As all of my fans and admirers know, I have no need to ever raise my voice
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I upgraded to Tommy Bahamas!

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Really?? Shit... I saw a whole bunch of em!
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I'll add some comments as well here about the shows. All up my thoughts are pretty favorable. Save for a few bumps here and there I think both AEE and Internext will both prove to be very profitable for all of my interests. I closed some deals at both shows and have my follow up cut out for me for a good 2-3 weeks here.

YNOT did a booth at the AEE b2b show floor and we got some good traffic and prospects. We have upcoming launches that warranted our presence there and I'm glad we did it.

I like the daring changes with Internext and prefer to be off the strip. All up I liked the Palms and thought the showfloor worked. I like quieter and brighter venues though when it comes to the showfloor but kudos to AVN for mixing it up.
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Really?? Shit... I saw a whole bunch of em!
I even saw Wolverine at the show....

He's put on weight...

....and a really cheap Hawaiian shirt....that he wore all week.
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Years of nobody paying attention finally sunk in?
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I liked the kingpin suite, it was consistently the friendliest suite around , well except for Gonzo, who looked at me sideways
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If you didn't see any fat guys in hawaiian shirts you MUST have been at the Monte Carlo. I would suggest the Wynn, but I dont think anyone could be convinced to go down there.
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Man the cattle are hacking on Jenna:

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