just so I am not hijacking a thread here

spazlabz · 07-21-2007

I got this quote fro Hell Puppy about affiliate reps from the 50 most blah blah blah thread;

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Anytime you take someone who is a "business owner" of any type in this biz and then you hear they're taking something like a "marketing" or "affiliate rep" or similar low level position with another program, it's pretty obvious what is happening. Business owners don't do that just because they're bored. You do it because you've suddenly become a squirrel trying to find your nut.

I put in bold type what caught my eye. I have been both a business owner AND an affiliate rep. Apollos-Temple was making me fat cash and honest to god after 9/11/2001 the bottom just fell out of it over night. Sure it was still bringing in money which enabled me and my wife to expand our sphere of endeavors but that site never fully recovered. And with over 150GB of videos and being the largest and first all video gay site on the net it did have some weight.

MY failure.. big deal, i own it.

But I have been an 'affiliate rep' at two companies;
Sexy City Cash
Royal Cash

In neither case has my job been to be an affiliate rep. Oh sure they start out with 'bring more affiliates and give them good service' but I assure you the job very quickly morphed in both cases to something of a manager.

[rant]At Royal Cash I am third in line to the thrown (does that make me the ugly kid the jester kicks? I dunno) but ahead of me is the owner of the company and the top manager. I both like and respect these two guys as much as I have liked or respected any two men I have ever met.

They are solid, honest, straight forward and say exactly what they mean. Of course I didn't type that to blow smoke up their ass as I am pretty sure neither one of them visit Oprano ever any more (even though I got this job from a post made on Oprano heh heh thanks Gonzo) This is also why I get a little offended when I hear someone bad mouthing Russians. Painting Russians with such a broad stroke is as ignorant as painting all Americans or Dutch or Germans.. well OK maybe Germans! (KIDDING!) with the same meat fisted approach [/rant]

I do not know about other programs but my work at this company has been to Introduce the brand to the western market, Americanize the sites that existed before I got here to appeal more to the American consumer, to be deeply involved in the development and follow through of new site concepts and to work extremely closely with a team from several different countries to improve every aspect of the company as a whole from webmaster tools to members areas to our entire affiliate program. It has been a meat and potato, roll up the sleeves of your shirt and get dirty kind of job so far and I love it.

That is what this affiliate manager does, so I do not consider that to be a 'low level' position heh heh

HellPuppy.... I understand, no offense intended and none taken bro

spaz

softball · 07-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by spazlabz

I got this quote fro Hell Puppy about affiliate reps from the 50 most blah blah blah thread;

I put in bold type what caught my eye. I have been both a business owner AND an affiliate rep. Apollos-Temple was making me fat cash and honest to god after 9/11/2001 the bottom just fell out of it over night. Sure it was still bringing in money which enabled me and my wife to expand our sphere of endeavors but that site never fully recovered. And with over 150GB of videos and being the largest and first all video gay site on the net it did have some weight.

MY failure.. big deal, i own it.

But I have been an 'affiliate rep' at two companies;
Sexy City Cash
Royal Cash

In neither case has my job been to be an affiliate rep. Oh sure they start out with 'bring more affiliates and give them good service' but I assure you the job very quickly morphed in both cases to something of a manager.

[rant]At Royal Cash I am third in line to the thrown (does that make me the ugly kid the jester kicks? I dunno) but ahead of me is the owner of the company and the top manager. I both like and respect these two guys as much as I have liked or respected any two men I have ever met.

They are solid, honest, straight forward and say exactly what they mean. Of course I didn't type that to blow smoke up their ass as I am pretty sure neither one of them visit Oprano ever any more (even though I got this job from a post made on Oprano heh heh thanks Gonzo) This is also why I get a little offended when I hear someone bad mouthing Russians. Painting Russians with such a broad stroke is as ignorant as painting all Americans or Dutch or Germans.. well OK maybe Germans! (KIDDING!) with the same meat fisted approach [/rant]

I do not know about other programs but my work at this company has been to Introduce the brand to the western market, Americanize the sites that existed before I got here to appeal more to the American consumer, to be deeply involved in the development and follow through of new site concepts and to work extremely closely with a team from several different countries to improve every aspect of the company as a whole from webmaster tools to members areas to our entire affiliate program. It has been a meat and potato, roll up the sleeves of your shirt and get dirty kind of job so far and I love it.

That is what this affiliate manager does, so I do not consider that to be a 'low level' position heh heh

HellPuppy.... I understand, no offense intended and none taken bro

spaz

Like any other nationality there are going to be examples of good solid honest people. I have met them. But as a rule of thumb, ya gotta have eyes in the back of your head to work with Russians. That is not just blowing smoke. It comes from a lot of experience. I would say the same thing about Nigerians though I have only a ton of anecdotal evidence to back that up.

JoesHO · 07-21-2007

Once again, I believe the CONTEXT of which one views a statement is important.

I too see that what hellpuppy said in that thread seemed like a put down to any and all working level people.....

However I do not believe that is what the context of his statement was meant to portray.

I believe he was trying to make a specific point about Bob and his history of being on a higher level pedestal in certain context, as what seems now to be a lower level position...

Now for the substance of that perception of mine in itself, I believe one must ask.... again a context question

lets say ( and I do not know if this is the case or not ) but for hypothetical instance here .... lets just say that company " owner" or "principle" #A owns a piece of a company, and for whatever reason is unhappy or has problems within the organization with partners, creative structure, beliefs in the business future road to take, etc.... whatever the differences may be.

SO Principle #a has a couple options here, he/she can fight with the other partners to who knows what end. meaning they can waste time and money, or hurt feelings and thereby seal the failure at some point of the company as they will never recover to see eye to eye again, they can have it mediated, litigated, or a disolution and split the money and move on ( we all know setting up new is not that easy and would require a lot more than the initial set up did.... oh and now you are on your own or you have inherited a group of unhappy employees that just had the scare of losing their jobs ... come along with you as well to rebuild so they are less than 100% committed and motivated no matter what they say verbally at this point.

Or Principle #a may just settle and quietly move out of the picture , this will inevitably lead them to find work ... so they take a position with company X and in the end that "low level" job instead of being an " owner " of a company may turn out to be a more profitable venture for them and give them the creative space they felt they were not getting as an owner of another company.....

This is just one scenario of course...

Believe me when Partners are involved ANYTHING can happen and often times does... so "failure" is not always the appropriate wording in these types of cases or situations I believe.

I realize that Hellpuppy was spot on when he described a perception that many people have when viewing a situation where a leader or owner has appeared to take a lesser role as a " where there is smoke there is fire" type of thing..... However I also believe that many times this is a mistaken observation as well. So i say again I believe CONTEXT is everything when making these types of observations and assessments of others motivations to make the moves they need to or want to make .... So unless the specifics are known I think it is hard to make the judgment on some one else's motivations.

gonzo · 07-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoesHO

Believe me when Partners are involved ANYTHING can happen and often times does...

Dont we know it!

Hell Puppy · 07-21-2007

No offense intended or taken on this side either....

I never look down on anyone doing whatever they need to do to pay their bills. There's a lot of security in having a predictable pay check that comes from being employed by a larger company. There are now a lot of people who seek that in this business while simultaneously running their own gig.

That's good cash flow management if nothing else. You have a predictable income stream to cover your nut. But you have the other which can be much larger some months, but also runs the risk of having you one google update away from standing at the top of an exit ramp with a "will webmaster for food" sign.

However, in the last year or so we've seen several instances, like Bob, where it's pretty transparent that they ran for the safety of a paycheck from a larger company because their own empire was no longer providing the cash flow to pay the bills. From a subjective point of view, how I look at people who do that depends upon how they've personified themselves in the industry. If they've always pretended to be the big player player, trying to be pimp, etc, I think it's karma swinging around to take 'em down a peg or three.

Back to the issue at hand, influencing the industry. I know very few business owners who take any chances or do anything truly strategic with their company and their money that they themselves are not having the final say on. So although I have no doubt that there are many "affiliate reps" or whatever that are extremely important to the operation of their company, they are still tactical positions. And it's hard to call someone one of the 50 most influential if they are not the one with the final say so in what happens with their own company.

JoesHO · 07-21-2007

That is a very Valid point on the industry influence factor , hellpuppy

helix · 07-21-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoesHO

Believe me when Partners are involved ANYTHING can happen and often times does...

Can I get an "amen" brother !!!

Furthermore, Bob is good in my book, as well as having celeb status (inside j/k). Over the years, he has been very helpful in dropping nuggets of good info that unknowing to him influenced my path in this industry, and everybody knows I am now an industry giant

.

Ok, Ok take that industry giant part is a stretch, but his advice has definitely benefited me on more than one occasion when I was a n00b and for that I am grateful. So yes, he has influenced me.

Kudos to Bob.

Hell Puppy · 07-22-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by helix

Can I get an "amen" brother !!!

Furthermore, Bob is good in my book, as well as having celeb status (inside j/k). Over the years, he has been very helpful in dropping nuggets of good info that unknowing to him influenced my path in this industry, and everybody knows I am now an industry giant

.

Ok, Ok take that industry giant part is a stretch, but his advice has definitely benefited me on more than one occasion when I was a n00b and for that I am grateful. So yes, he has influenced me.

Kudos to Bob.

So does this mean you'd partner with bob on something?

helix · 07-22-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

So does this mean you'd partner with bob on something?

Depends on the project, what it is, how it's structured, etc...
to many variables to give you a blanket yes or no. I would consider it.

07-21-2007	#3
JoesHO Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,085	Re: just so I am not hijacking a thread here Once again, I believe the CONTEXT of which one views a statement is important. I too see that what hellpuppy said in that thread seemed like a put down to any and all working level people..... However I do not believe that is what the context of his statement was meant to portray. I believe he was trying to make a specific point about Bob and his history of being on a higher level pedestal in certain context, as what seems now to be a lower level position... Now for the substance of that perception of mine in itself, I believe one must ask.... again a context question lets say ( and I do not know if this is the case or not ) but for hypothetical instance here .... lets just say that company " owner" or "principle" #A owns a piece of a company, and for whatever reason is unhappy or has problems within the organization with partners, creative structure, beliefs in the business future road to take, etc.... whatever the differences may be. SO Principle #a has a couple options here, he/she can fight with the other partners to who knows what end. meaning they can waste time and money, or hurt feelings and thereby seal the failure at some point of the company as they will never recover to see eye to eye again, they can have it mediated, litigated, or a disolution and split the money and move on ( we all know setting up new is not that easy and would require a lot more than the initial set up did.... oh and now you are on your own or you have inherited a group of unhappy employees that just had the scare of losing their jobs ... come along with you as well to rebuild so they are less than 100% committed and motivated no matter what they say verbally at this point. Or Principle #a may just settle and quietly move out of the picture , this will inevitably lead them to find work ... so they take a position with company X and in the end that "low level" job instead of being an " owner " of a company may turn out to be a more profitable venture for them and give them the creative space they felt they were not getting as an owner of another company..... This is just one scenario of course... Believe me when Partners are involved ANYTHING can happen and often times does... so "failure" is not always the appropriate wording in these types of cases or situations I believe. I realize that Hellpuppy was spot on when he described a perception that many people have when viewing a situation where a leader or owner has appeared to take a lesser role as a " where there is smoke there is fire" type of thing..... However I also believe that many times this is a mistaken observation as well. So i say again I believe CONTEXT is everything when making these types of observations and assessments of others motivations to make the moves they need to or want to make .... So unless the specifics are known I think it is hard to make the judgment on some one else's motivations. __________________ AEBN THE GLOBAL LEADER IN ADULT EVOLUTION something FIT this way comes!

07-21-2007	#5
Hell Puppy Fat Fucking Nobody Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,523	Re: just so I am not hijacking a thread here No offense intended or taken on this side either.... I never look down on anyone doing whatever they need to do to pay their bills. There's a lot of security in having a predictable pay check that comes from being employed by a larger company. There are now a lot of people who seek that in this business while simultaneously running their own gig. That's good cash flow management if nothing else. You have a predictable income stream to cover your nut. But you have the other which can be much larger some months, but also runs the risk of having you one google update away from standing at the top of an exit ramp with a "will webmaster for food" sign. However, in the last year or so we've seen several instances, like Bob, where it's pretty transparent that they ran for the safety of a paycheck from a larger company because their own empire was no longer providing the cash flow to pay the bills. From a subjective point of view, how I look at people who do that depends upon how they've personified themselves in the industry. If they've always pretended to be the big player player, trying to be pimp, etc, I think it's karma swinging around to take 'em down a peg or three. Back to the issue at hand, influencing the industry. I know very few business owners who take any chances or do anything truly strategic with their company and their money that they themselves are not having the final say on. So although I have no doubt that there are many "affiliate reps" or whatever that are extremely important to the operation of their company, they are still tactical positions. And it's hard to call someone one of the 50 most influential if they are not the one with the final say so in what happens with their own company.

07-21-2007	#6
JoesHO Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,085	Re: just so I am not hijacking a thread here That is a very Valid point on the industry influence factor , hellpuppy __________________ AEBN THE GLOBAL LEADER IN ADULT EVOLUTION something FIT this way comes!

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