US forces used chemical weapons?

grimm · 11-09-2005

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article325560.ece

PornoDoggy · 11-09-2005

This article will be denied.

Then an investigation will be launched into who leaked secret government information that was false.

Sin · 11-09-2005

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Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

This article will be denied.

Then an investigation will be launched into who leaked secret government information that was false.

OMG you're psychic???

MorganGrayson · 11-09-2005

I read the article. I found it nauseating.

I am aware that I demonstrate more than a little naivte in my definition of war: solidiers fighting other soldiers. I do understand the phrase "collateral damage."

Pouring phosphorus on citizens in their beds?

I never thought I'd see the word "napalm" again.

Idle thoughts.

Dravyk · 11-09-2005

May be true. May be propaganda.

I prefer at this time to think it's the latter.

Trev · 11-09-2005

I'm going to come off as a cunt here so what the fuck...

Even if they did use phosphorus rounds they're fighting the unknown... the child/woman/man that is willing to die for a cause... yes I've seen the pictures and I can show you pictures of our troops that have been blown up and shot by "civilians".

I'm not saying it's justified, but get a grip - if I was over there, I'd want phosphorus grenades!

Robert · 11-09-2005

.....eyewitnesses and ex-US soldiers say white phosphorus bombs were used in Fallujah.

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../11/08/1516227

PornoDoggy · 11-10-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

I read the article. I found it nauseating.

I am aware that I demonstrate more than a little naivte in my definition of war: solidiers fighting other soldiers. I do understand the phrase "collateral damage."

Pouring phosphorus on citizens in their beds?

I never thought I'd see the word "napalm" again.

Idle thoughts.

I'm not sure I consider phosphorus or napalm as chemical weapons. They are some very nasty shit, to be sure - but very nasty shit is what you use in war.

I am sorry if civilians died, but I'm not sure how much sympathy I have for folks who stuck around Falujah in the weeks before the battle to retake it. They were more than amply warned about what was coming, and the tactical situation allowed plenty of time for folks to flee.

The tactical situation in Falujah was as fucked up as a soup sandwich. If those weapons were deployed, it was to save the lives of the U.S. Marines and soldiers who were trying to retake it. I'm don't want to see anyone die if possible, but if some mother's son or daughter has to die, I'd prefer it not be one that needs to flown back here in a flag-draped box.

Dravyk · 11-10-2005

Ah, people don't get it at all.

Sin, you mistake what I am saying as well.

I said at the very beginning that it could be either way, 50-50. Funny how that's been overlooked in just a few posts so that now I'm 100-0 a certain way.

Shows more about people wanting to believe the worse, than it says anything about me.

Sin · 11-10-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Ah, people don't get it at all.

Sin, you mistake what I am saying as well.

I said at the very beginning that it could be either way, 50-50. Funny how that's been overlooked in just a few posts so that now I'm 100-0 a certain way.

Shows more about people wanting to believe the worse, than it says anything about me.

Ahhkay, gotcha.

As far as people wanting to believe the worse, I am a big believer of the 'trial & error' mode of learning.

JR · 11-10-2005

ok insane people... a YEAR after the fact, an Italian paper runs a story about the US using chemical weapons during that assault. Presumably all the residents of Fallujah that saw thier friends and family wiped out by this "mystery weapon" were not real concerned and did not feel the need to tell ANY media at the time ... because lets face it, Fallujah was about as "pro america" as a city can be.

admitting to using phosphorus shells to light up a battlefield is not the same as admitting to targeting civilians in a city with chemical weapons.

MorganGrayson · 11-10-2005

PD and JR, to select a couple, have excellent points.

There is always more to the story. Forming an opinion based on too little information, admittedly my error here, is always dangerous.

Dravyk · 11-10-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

ok insane people... a YEAR after the fact, an Italian paper runs a story about the US using chemical weapons during that assault. Presumably all the residents of Fallujah that saw thier friends and family wiped out by this "mystery weapon" were not real concerned and did not feel the need to tell ANY media at the time ... because lets face it, Fallujah was about as "pro america" as a city can be.

admitting to using phosphorus shells to light up a battlefield is not the same as admitting to targeting civilians in a city with chemical weapons.

Thank you, JR!

Glad someone else sees ... the timing of this, that after all this time all of a sudden this, where it's coming from! Exactly!

All this why it all smells heavily of disinformational anti-American propogranda grade-A bullshit!

Oh, and an Italian paper? I'm sorry. There's a credible source, not.

This is a nation that changes goverments more often then Trev changes avatars. A country that is Democratic on even-numbered days, Fascist on odd-number days, takes Saturday's off to have orgies, confess them at church, then have more orgies, (ok, nothing wrong with that) and then the "goverment" becomes "Catholic" on Sundays, and they repeat the cycle all over again.

Hell, they can't even decide if they want to be ruled by a politician, a dictator, a farmer, a Pope, a crime boss or a porn star on any given month!

Inabon · 11-10-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Thank you, JR!

Glad someone else sees ... the timing of this, that after all this time all of a sudden this, where it's coming from! Exactly!

All this why it all smells heavily of disinformational anti-American propogranda grade-A bullshit!

Oh, and an Italian paper? I'm sorry. There's a credible source, not.

This is a nation that changes goverments more often then Trev changes avatars. A country that is Democratic on even-numbered days, Fascist on odd-number days, takes Saturday's off to have orgies, confess them at church, then have more orgies, (ok, nothing wrong with that) and then the "goverment" becomes "Catholic" on Sundays, and they repeat the cycle all over again.

Hell, they can't even decide if they want to be ruled by a politician, a dictator, a farmer, a Pope, a crime boss or a porn star on any given month!

WTF because the rest of the world is fucked doesn't mean you guys are right you are just finding out that you are as fucked up as the rest of the world.

you have only had 1 war were i can say fuck yeah you should have nuked them 4 times and that was WWII

the rest of them have been pure up your ass stuff the thing is that now it is harder for the Old Eagle to block the view outside his nest. Something brought up on to itself for being so inventive (nothing wrong with invention)

Timon · 11-10-2005

^ what he said

Now who likes onions on his kebab?

Dravyk · 11-10-2005

Shit, tracer bullets could be considered chemical weapons.

Better yet, any bullets. What the hell do folks think gunpowder is made of? Pixie dust?

Seriously though, if US Forces used a military weapon during a war, well, gee, imagine the fuck out of that!

Dravyk · 11-10-2005

Anyways, speaking of chemical weapons ...

I have an appointment with a beer draft down at my favorite pub.

Trev · 11-10-2005

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Originally Posted by Dravyk

Anyways, speaking of chemical weapons ...

I have an appointment with a beer draft down at my favorite pub.

Good luck with that, you are truly a brave man.

PornoDoggy · 11-11-2005

As I have already stated, I'm not sure that I even consider the munitions in question to be chemical weapons.

I have also previously stated in this thread that American troops on the ground have the right to defend themselves with weapons appropriate to the tactical situation.

That being said - I no more believe that phosphorus was deployed only for illumination purposes than I do GW (and his lackeys, foreign and domestic) when they say this war has made the U.S. (and its lackeys) any safer from terrorism.

Trev, I feel for the local families you are describing. My girlfriend's son has made three combat deployments since 9/11 (he went into Afghanistan in 2001, and has made two deployments to Iraq). We just lost another local kid this week; I've lost count of how many that makes total, but this is the 3rd from the local guard unit this deployment.

However ... You have to admit that it's not very likely that U.S. or U.K. troops would be getting killed by Iraqis if we hadn't invaded their country. You have to admit that the absence of a realistic plan for the occupation of Iraq is a big part of why the resistance has taken hold. You'd be a damned fool to try and claim that citizens of the U.S. or the U.K. are in any way safer from the threat of terrorism as a result of the sacrifices of the poor dumb son-of-a-bitches that get to die for their country.

The "plan" for Iraq was either the result of stupidity that rivals isolationism and/or appeasement of the Fascists, or stupidity that rivals isolationism/appeasement of the Fascists coupled with a cynicism that the Fascists would envy. There are an awful lot of reasons that turning Iraq into a functional democracy would have failed with three times the number of troops to occupy it.

But the cheap-assed method used was guaranteed to fail. Either Bush and his bootlick Blair were stupid enough to believe their own rhetoric about the people greeting us with parades, or they knew damned good and well what kind of chaos would result from this half-assed plan and that the resulting chaos and ensuing conflict was deliberately caused.

Happy fucking Armistice Day ...

Trev · 11-11-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

As I have already stated, I'm not sure that I even consider the munitions in question to be chemical weapons.

I have also previously stated in this thread that American troops on the ground have the right to defend themselves with weapons appropriate to the tactical situation.

That being said - I no more believe that phosphorus was deployed only for illumination purposes than I do GW (and his lackeys, foreign and domestic) when they say this war has made the U.S. (and its lackeys) any safer from terrorism.

Trev, I feel for the local families you are describing. My girlfriend's son has made three combat deployments since 9/11 (he went into Afghanistan in 2001, and has made two deployments to Iraq). We just lost another local kid this week; I've lost count of how many that makes total, but this is the 3rd from the local guard unit this deployment.

However ... You have to admit that it's not very likely that U.S. or U.K. troops would be getting killed by Iraqis if we hadn't invaded their country. You have to admit that the absence of a realistic plan for the occupation of Iraq is a big part of why the resistance has taken hold. You'd be a damned fool to try and claim that citizens of the U.S. or the U.K. are in any way safer from the threat of terrorism as a result of the sacrifices of the poor dumb son-of-a-bitches that get to die for their country.

The "plan" for Iraq was either the result of stupidity that rivals isolationism and/or appeasement of the Fascists, or stupidity that rivals isolationism/appeasement of the Fascists coupled with a cynicism that the Fascists would envy. There are an awful lot of reasons that turning Iraq into a functional democracy would have failed with three times the number of troops to occupy it.

But the cheap-assed method used was guaranteed to fail. Either Bush and his bootlick Blair were stupid enough to believe their own rhetoric about the people greeting us with parades, or they knew damned good and well what kind of chaos would result from this half-assed plan and that the resulting chaos and ensuing conflict was deliberately caused.

Happy fucking Armistice Day ...

Although it pains me to say it, I have to agree with you. Excellent post

grimm · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trev

Although it pains me to say it, I have to agree with you. Excellent post

dudr you make excellent points a lot of the time, and i dig your personality, but sometimes i get the feeling if i told you my cum tastes like mouthwash, you'd say "awesome, what flavor"

JR · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by grimm

dudr you make excellent points a lot of the time, and i dig your personality, but sometimes i get the feeling if i told you my cum tastes like mouthwash, you'd say "awesome, what flavor"

i misread your post.

now i gotta go brush my teeth. be right back.

Inabon · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by grimm

dudr you make excellent points a lot of the time, and i dig your personality, but sometimes i get the feeling if i told you my cum tastes like mouthwash, you'd say "awesome, what flavor"

SHHHHH don´t say bush said or you will see AI and Mini AI´s with white stuff on their mouth.

(they will probably buy it in a can i just don´t see them with a COCK on their mouth)

Dravyk · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inabon

SHHHHH don´t say bush said or you will see AI and Mini AI´s with white stuff on their mouth.

(they will probably buy it in a can i just don´t see them with a COCK on their mouth)

One of the funniest and best posts you've made yet!

So much to laugh at in that little space! .... But I love (fear?) the though of "Mini AI"!

Trev · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by grimm

dudr you make excellent points a lot of the time, and i dig your personality, but sometimes i get the feeling if i told you my cum tastes like mouthwash, you'd say "awesome, what flavor"

I think you're right. Even though PD's post was a good one and it did hit the nail on the head in some respects, I think I used it as an easy out from this thread.

PornoDoggy · 11-11-2005

Hmmm ... a new board figure emerges.

Drav AI

Dravyk · 11-11-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Hmmm ... a new board figure emerges.

Drav AI

Huh?

Inabon · 11-11-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Hmmm ... a new board figure emerges.

Drav AI

good one.

Timon · 11-11-2005

so how bout them onions?

PornoDoggy · 11-11-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timon

so how bout them onions?

What league do they play in?

Timon · 11-11-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

What league do they play in?

The Kebab condiments league

PornoDoggy · 11-11-2005

Now, Mikey ... I don't agree with JR's logic, but at least he used some. Not much, to be sure, and much of it flawed - but there was some there.

The use of logic, even flawed, to make a point automatically disqualifies anyone from the AI label. There are plenty of AI-qualified opponents of the war. AI is more a mindset - in concrete at least, something much harder whenever available.

I 'awarded' Dravyk the AI label when he resorted to your tactics - "And if you can't MAKE your point, it's because you are PANAMANIAN."

You may resort to being condescending now.

Mike AI · 11-11-2005

PD When are you going to realize I do not pay attention to your posts?

I skip right over them. I gave up about 2 years ago when I realized you say the same thing over and over again.

No ofense. If you want to continue, please be my guest. I am sure you entertain someone. ( not to mentioned help make Nick some $$ )

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Now, Mikey ... I don't agree with JR's logic, but at least he used some. Not much, to be sure, and much of it flawed - but there was some there.

The use of logic, even flawed, to make a point automatically disqualifies anyone from the AI label. There are plenty of AI-qualified opponents of the war. AI is more a mindset - in concrete at least, something much harder whenever available.

I 'awarded' Dravyk the AI label when he resorted to your tactics - "And if you can't MAKE your point, it's because you are PANAMANIAN."

You may resort to being condescending now.

Dravyk · 11-11-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

I 'awarded' Dravyk the AI label when he resorted to your tactics - "And if you can't MAKE your point, it's because you are PANAMANIAN."

Ah, well, I have to admit, since Inny can't argue worth crapola, (I lova ya, man, but you get an F in debate class, Inabon) the AI line was appropriate.

So nyah!

Inabon · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Ah, well, I have to admit, since Inny can't argue worth crapola, (I lova ya, man, but you get an F in debate class, Inabon) the AI line was appropriate.

So nyah!

i am still wondering what you want to argue about??

Inabon · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Ah, well, I have to admit, since Inny can't argue worth crapola, (I lova ya, man, but you get an F in debate class, Inabon) the AI line was appropriate.

So nyah!

F my ass i am still waiting on your point

Timon · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inabon

F my ass i am still waiting on your point

I think he's following the "don't debate with idiots, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" rule

Dravyk · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inabon

F my ass

Ok. Bend over, sweetie.

PornoDoggy · 11-11-2005

Odd ... you picked up the Drav AI remark while ignoring my posts.

You've done better than that ...

Inabon · 11-11-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

Odd ... you picked up the Drav AI remark while ignoring my posts.

You've done better than that ...

there is no use man... the dictionary word fits.

its the same lame old thing just because you are not like him *race, color, or born from the same family* he will never agree.

Inabon · 11-11-2005

ermn hold on thats bush logic

Timon · 11-12-2005

Trev my cum tastes like ice cream

Trev · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timon

Trev my cum tastes like ice cream

Awesome, what flavour?

Timon · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trev

Awesome, what flavour?

Semen flavour

Trev · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timon

Semen flavour

Ah damn... I prefer cookies and cream flavour...

Dravyk · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timon

Trev my cum tastes like ice cream

But he's not -- repeat, not -- perverted!

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MorganGrayson None $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,321	Re: US forces used chemical weapons? I read the article. I found it nauseating. I am aware that I demonstrate more than a little naivte in my definition of war: solidiers fighting other soldiers. I do understand the phrase "collateral damage." Pouring phosphorus on citizens in their beds? I never thought I'd see the word "napalm" again. Idle thoughts.

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Trev Cunty Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,150	Re: US forces used chemical weapons? I'm going to come off as a cunt here so what the fuck... Even if they did use phosphorus rounds they're fighting the unknown... the child/woman/man that is willing to die for a cause... yes I've seen the pictures and I can show you pictures of our troops that have been blown up and shot by "civilians". I'm not saying it's justified, but get a grip - if I was over there, I'd want phosphorus grenades! __________________ Sucks to be you.

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Dravyk Easy Like Sunday Morning Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Behind a couch, somewhere in Philly Posts: 7,628	Re: US forces used chemical weapons? Ah, people don't get it at all. Sin, you mistake what I am saying as well. I said at the very beginning that it could be either way, 50-50. Funny how that's been overlooked in just a few posts so that now I'm 100-0 a certain way. Shows more about people wanting to believe the worse, than it says anything about me. __________________ All Of 'Em Mainstream Webmasters New: WebmasterConventions.com

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JR Members The global leader in pay-per-view AEBN Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: in my chair Posts: 3,320	Re: US forces used chemical weapons? ok insane people... a YEAR after the fact, an Italian paper runs a story about the US using chemical weapons during that assault. Presumably all the residents of Fallujah that saw thier friends and family wiped out by this "mystery weapon" were not real concerned and did not feel the need to tell ANY media at the time ... because lets face it, Fallujah was about as "pro america" as a city can be. admitting to using phosphorus shells to light up a battlefield is not the same as admitting to targeting civilians in a city with chemical weapons. __________________

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Timon Hospitality Supervisor Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,338	Re: US forces used chemical weapons? ^ what he said Now who likes onions on his kebab?

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PornoDoggy Cramming 3 people in a Room to Attend Show Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Amid the Cornfields of Illinois Posts: 5,366	Re: US forces used chemical weapons? As I have already stated, I'm not sure that I even consider the munitions in question to be chemical weapons. I have also previously stated in this thread that American troops on the ground have the right to defend themselves with weapons appropriate to the tactical situation. That being said - I no more believe that phosphorus was deployed only for illumination purposes than I do GW (and his lackeys, foreign and domestic) when they say this war has made the U.S. (and its lackeys) any safer from terrorism. Trev, I feel for the local families you are describing. My girlfriend's son has made three combat deployments since 9/11 (he went into Afghanistan in 2001, and has made two deployments to Iraq). We just lost another local kid this week; I've lost count of how many that makes total, but this is the 3rd from the local guard unit this deployment. However ... You have to admit that it's not very likely that U.S. or U.K. troops would be getting killed by Iraqis if we hadn't invaded their country. You have to admit that the absence of a realistic plan for the occupation of Iraq is a big part of why the resistance has taken hold. You'd be a damned fool to try and claim that citizens of the U.S. or the U.K. are in any way safer from the threat of terrorism as a result of the sacrifices of the poor dumb son-of-a-bitches that get to die for their country. The "plan" for Iraq was either the result of stupidity that rivals isolationism and/or appeasement of the Fascists, or stupidity that rivals isolationism/appeasement of the Fascists coupled with a cynicism that the Fascists would envy. There are an awful lot of reasons that turning Iraq into a functional democracy would have failed with three times the number of troops to occupy it. But the cheap-assed method used was guaranteed to fail. Either Bush and his bootlick Blair were stupid enough to believe their own rhetoric about the people greeting us with parades, or they knew damned good and well what kind of chaos would result from this half-assed plan and that the resulting chaos and ensuing conflict was deliberately caused. Happy fucking Armistice Day ... __________________ SEX STORY TEXT Exotic Material for Adult Websites Available for part time (project or ongoing) work ...

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