Why does custom programming cost so much ?

[sarettah]

Actual user/potential client question:

"Why is it going to cost so much and take so long? I mean, look at Microsoft Word. That does a lot more than what we are talking about and I can get that for 50 or 60 dollars."


Simple economics. Microsoft developed Word once and will sell a bazillion copies which will allow Microsoft to recover development costs after xx numbers of copies are sold. A custom system will be developed once and will only sell one copy therefore all development costs must be recouped off of that one copy.







(just in case you wanted to know )

[DrGuile]

Lol, what's with all the "Im a crappy programmer but that's ok" apolagetic threads?

Is someone feeling inadequate>?

[Mike AI]

Custom programing can be done inexpensively - programers are a dime a dozen.

The reality is the majority of "professionals" ( lawyers, accountants, programers, etc...) that end up focusing on the porn business are here for a reason.

The reason is they are incompetant, lazy, and/or stupid. The porn business is the lowest common denomenator. The fact is these "professional's" could not cut it in the real world, so they come to the porn world where they can bullshit their way through.

I have dealt first hand with many of them, 99% are a joke.

If you want professional help, find it OUTSIDE the industry. There is a reason some people prey upon the ignorant.

[sarettah]

lolololol.....

I am from outside the industry

http://www.hatterasdesigns.com/resume.htm

I suck at adult sites and traffic generation but I can design and code better than most.

Based on what you say there, then I guess you couldn't cut it out there in mainstream because as far as I know most (if not all) of your cash has come from adult stuff, especially during the heyday when it didn't take a fucking genius to drop a bunch of banners on a domain and make a million real quick

[sarettah]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Mar 25 2005, 12:12 PM
Lol, what's with all the "Im a crappy programmer but that's ok" apolagetic threads?

Is someone feeling inadequate>?

I'm a damn good programmer.. Nothing apologetic about them. It is merely an exercise in educating folks that want to do projects as to what I feel needs to be done for a medium to large scale project to be done successfully....

[RyanLanane]

Originally posted by sarettah@Mar 25 2005, 09:27 AM
lolololol.....

I am from outside the industry

http://www.hatterasdesigns.com/resume.htm

I suck at adult sites and traffic generation but I can design and code better than most.

Based on what you say there, then I guess you couldn't cut it out there in mainstream because as far as I know most (if not all) of your cash has come from adult stuff, especially during the heyday when it didn't take a fucking genius to drop a bunch of banners on a domain and make a million real quick

You don't know Mike to well, do you ?

He is a lawyer, but believe me he not only could but does make it in the real business world every day... .Trust me on this one, one of the smartest in this business along with Colin.

Ryan

[sarettah]

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Mar 25 2005, 12:32 PM
You don't know Mike to well, do you ?

He is a lawyer, but believe me he not only could but does make it in the real business world every day... .Trust me on this one, one of the smartest in this business along with Colin.

Ryan

I know Mike well enough... My answer was sarcasm...

To group everybody together like Mike does is one of his tactics. I am just throwing back what I got....

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by sarettah@Mar 25 2005, 12:27 PM
lolololol.....

I am from outside the industry

http://www.hatterasdesigns.com/resume.htm

I suck at adult sites and traffic generation but I can design and code better than most.

Based on what you say there, then I guess you couldn't cut it out there in mainstream because as far as I know most (if not all) of your cash has come from adult stuff, especially during the heyday when it didn't take a fucking genius to drop a bunch of banners on a domain and make a million real quick

sarettah I was not refering to you in my post, just makinga point that most professional who service the porn biz over charge and under deliver.

My mainstream companies employ over 15 programers all who are more talented then anyone I have met in adult ( at least who freelance) and there salaries are inline with National averages.

A top PHP programmer is worth $35-$42k a year.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 25 2005, 12:35 PM
A top PHP programmer is worth $35-$42k a year.

That be Florida prices

I researched out a couple of years back (2000) while thinking about moving permanently to Fort Myers.

At the time I was making about 75K salary and bonuses. Went down there, interviewed with several folk, had offers... All of them sucked.

Got back here and did some more research and discovered that I was looking in an area that paid about 20% below the average in the Midwest.

And PHP programmers, especially in adult, do tend to work cheaper..

But a programmer and a database designer are really two different animals (often occupying one brain) as HellPuppy pointed out in Ryan's thread. More and more the adult net is needing good backend database designers to pull of the stuff they want to pull off.

[sarettah]

A quote from one of my heroes that kind of emphasizes what I am trying to say about all this stuff:

http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=8696

Q: What is a big future issue in your opinion?
A: I've been doing a lot of work in enterprise architecture recently, and this model-driven stuff. And I think that one of the dangers is that in the last 10 years we've kind of de-emphasized requirements and design, and kind of overemphasized the tricks of the trade.

I think the reason people are suddenly kind of interested in architecture largely stems from the fact that we don't have a lot of design anymore. And so we have to re-invent design and call it architecture. I think that's going to be a big issue for the next five to 10 years.

[Mike AI]

Sarettah, the reality is PHP programers are a dime a dozen... especially now.

The realy money for programers is in becoming a program manager who manages his own team of programers. But even that will not bring 6 figures unless you have amazing skills and experience.

Programing is becoming a commodity - something to be outsourced to third world countries...

The future is in business model development. That was one of the hot topics at the Inc 500 convention.

[RyanLanane]

Originally posted by sarettah+Mar 25 2005, 09:35 AM-->