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[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Toby

You've not done a thing to discredit me but attempt to make general references to past practices of a some old TGPs that I've never had any dealings with. Your examples have nothing at all to do with doing business in the here and now with content thieves. I would have had the same issues with doing business with those old TGP sites when they were content thieves. (BTW, damn few of them still exist, and those few that do remain are mostly under different ownership. The only thing still the same about the majoirity of those sites is the domain name)

I'm not currently dealing with thieves, nor have I knowingly done so in the past. If Porhub et al were truly trying to clean up their act, all of the unauthorized clips would be gone from their sites. Until then, they are in the content theft business. No grey area, no degrees of clean. Either there is a large quantity of stolen content on their sites or there is not. At this point the vast majority of clips on their sites is still stolen content.

As for having dealings with those that were shady in the past, they'd first need to demonstrate they can operate a clean site for a substantial time. As I stated earlier, content theft on TGPs is ancient history, it hasn't been an issue in many many years so the point is more or less moot.

You can keep dancing with the Devil, but sooner or later there will be a price to pay.

P.S. That old amateur board no longer exists, the archive is long gone, only the domain survives, much like those old TGPs.

Ok, so as long as you didn't knowingly deal with thieves you are somehow superior? Ok. Tell that one to the judge.

How much of Pornhub is stolen content? Please tell me something specific and not based on hearsay. I don't know. All I know is they take our stuff down when asked if it goes up and they replace it with our branded version. Sounds like they are making an effort to clean up. If not, then hopefully that Pink Visual lawsuit will make it clear for you, me, and everyone else that has a dog in this fight.

But seriously, you still need remedial courses in logic and ethics.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Ok, so as long as you didn't knowingly deal with thieves you are somehow superior? Ok. Tell that one to the judge.

How much of Pornhub is stolen content? Please tell me something specific and not based on hearsay. I don't know. All I know is they take our stuff down when asked if it goes up and they replace it with our branded version. Sounds like they are making an effort to clean up. If not, then hopefully that Pink Visual lawsuit will make it clear for you, me, and everyone else that has a dog in this fight.

But seriously, you still need remedial courses in logic and ethics.

Scanning through the clips on that site, assuming the most recent week of uploads are an accurate sampling, then about 80% or more of the clips are from unauthorized sources. If you want a more accurate figure from another source then maybe Gonzo can get Eric from RemoveYourContent to give his estimate on that figure.

I'll take the remedial course recommendation under advisement, but since you're the only one in my nearly 50 years on this planet to question my logic or my ethics I just don't see that happening.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Toby

Scanning through the clips on that site, assuming the most recent week of uploads are an accurate sampling, then about 80% or more of the clips are from unauthorized sources. If you want a more accurate figure from another source then maybe Gonzo can get Eric from RemoveYourContent to give his estimate on that figure.

I'll take the remedial course recommendation under advisement, but since you're the only one in my nearly 50 years on this planet to question my logic or my ethics I just don't see that happening.

I will wait for Gonzo or Eric to give me something better than your assumption which is based on what? You saw a lot of content there? I can't tell. But seeing as how you are still content to condemn people based on circumstantial assumptions I will just add that to the list of reasons why your assessments of me and my business practices hold so little weight.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I will wait for Gonzo or Eric to give me something better than your assumption which is based on what? You saw a lot of content there? I can't tell. But seeing as how you are still content to condemn people based on circumstantial assumptions I will just add that to the list of reasons why your assessments of me and my business practices hold so little weight.

Both RawAlex and myself have told you how to tell which videos are stolen. You just have to open your eyes and look. 80% is a conservative estimate.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Toby

Both RawAlex and myself have told you how to tell which videos are stolen. You just have to open your eyes and look. 80% is a conservative estimate.

Because you don't see a link? What about the traffic trades with "our friends"? How about the possibility that they actually did license some of the material. You are making a causal inference based on circumstantial evidence. Doesn't hold up for me but you can run with it if it makes you feel better about your superiority complex and all.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Because you don't see a link? What about the traffic trades with "our friends"? How about the possibility that they actually did license some of the material. You are making a causal inference based on circumstantial evidence. Doesn't hold up for me but you can run with it if it makes you feel better about your superiority complex and all.

You're the only one that seems to be having issue acknowledging the fact that most of the content on Pornhub is stolen. I'm not just pulling this info out of thin air. Pornhub has been the topic of discussion many times on the various boards over the last several years with nearly every major producer/sponsor lamenting about their content on Pornhub.

Nearly all of the clips over about 7 or 8 minutes are unauthorized. I'm not aware of ANY sponsors allowing use of longer clips. The few licensed longer clips are pretty clearly watermarked. They're all older discounted broker content. The exact percentage of stolen content, whether it's 44.99% or 99.44% isn't really relevant anyway. What is relevant is that they have a large amount of stolen content on their sites and the presence of those longer clips is what is driving their traffic.

You're not going to believe anything I say, so go look for yourself, open your own eyes, just take off the blinders and rose colored glasses first. Look at how many clips have had the bottom portion stretched to remove the waterark. Look at how many clips are from known sources who produce their own exclusive content. It's not rocket science.

P.S. The better way to not make the same mistake as with tgp and mgp is to provide hosted FLV's for your affiliates.

[gonzo]

A moment of levity if I may.

I looked at the link Toby posted in the earlier thread and I have to wonder... if you go to work for Homegrown do you have to become a porn star?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I will wait for Gonzo or Eric to give me something better than your assumption which is based on what? You saw a lot of content there? I can't tell. But seeing as how you are still content to condemn people based on circumstantial assumptions I will just add that to the list of reasons why your assessments of me and my business practices hold so little weight.

I only know what studios told me last year when I was talking with them lat year as we were developing marketing for RealTouch.

Eric works with this every day and all day. Ill see if he has some stats but he keeps a low profile as would I.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Far-L

hopefully that Pink Visual lawsuit will make it clear for you, me, and everyone else that has a dog in this fight.

You know that going the full ride to a court case is as likely as Phil Collins wrestling the Ultimate Warrior

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by gonzo

You know that going the full ride to a court case is as likely as Phil Collins wrestling the Ultimate Warrior

They were one of the first to jump out of the Defense Group in the Acacia matter and sign a licensing deal... Looks great at first looking like heroes of the industry, making press, but the true heroes are those that will go the distance, though they are hardly ever recognized for it.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Far-L

They were one of the first to jump out of the Defense Group in the Acacia matter and sign a licensing deal... Looks great at first looking like heroes of the industry, making press, but the true heroes are those that will go the distance, though they are hardly ever recognized for it.

Ill also remind everyone that they sold Yappo out to the same fuckers that own Xtube brokered by the assclown supremeus Bob Rice.

And I see Kristin over on GFY talking about prechecked cross sales as if Top Bucks is some hero of the surfer when they had at least 2 prechecked on the Topbucks sites the last time I looked.

The love that media spin!