Homegrown remembers when...

[Toby]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Far-L
You mis-understand, my message in response to the mood change was in defense Of YOU.

I thought you posted a perfectly open and friendly thread, and it was quickly turned into something nasty, very quick. And it wasn't warranted.

I was about to say, and will say, I think you can do whatever you want with YOUR content, and any clown that complains about it should confine themselves to any content, they themselves created.

Please contact me via private message with a current direct contact info.

So I can put you down in the column under "supports content theft" as well.

This is far more complex than just doing what you want with your own content. This is a case of exploiting stolen content (or more precisely the traffic generated by the unauthorized use of that stolen content) for financial gain. Personally, I don't need the money badly enough to crawl in bed with thieves.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Toby

So I can put you down in the column under "supports content theft" as well.

This is far more complex than just doing what you want with your own content. This is a case of exploiting stolen content (or more precisely the traffic generated by the unauthorized use of that stolen content) for financial gain. Personally, I don't need the money badly enough to crawl in bed with thieves.

No, thank you Toby, you can't put words in my mouth. I don't accept your premise. It's exactly like I said. I know FAR-L and the Homegrown people would have nothing to do with theft, and because they may have made a legit deal with someone about their content, doesn't make them "supporting everything else that party may or MAY NOT do." (I honestly don't know the other people, and frankly, don't care to.)
They aren't answerable to you for their content, or how they want to market their product. I haven't checked, but I'll bet it's their name on the electric Bill.

Next, you'll say, because I wrote a few articles for a magazine, I was somehow responsible for an ad for one of the crooked vendors that may have appeared in the same issue with something I wrote?

While the rest of the industry stood around pulling Their collective pud, homegrown stood up against Acacia with their own money. I remember that one, do you? Everyone was hiding under the blankets and hoping Acacia wouldn't notice their website, while these guys went out and Kicked Acacia's ass.
On THEIR dime. (and they're STILL paying.) EVERYONE in ANY kind of streaming business OWES THEM.
The entire streaming video WORLD (not just adult,) benefited from their efforts. And if you can't see that, then man, I feel sorry for you.

And still, the "armchair legal minds" sat around on boards spouting off about how much bullshit it was. But they said it quietly, from under cover.
Not a whole lot of folks sending them checks, or joining the fight.
I for one, am VERY grateful.

If I knew nothing else about the Homegrown folks, that would be enough of a character statement to squelch any thought as to their "intentions."

I don't know what it is that's made you so bitter recently, but after knowing your words for so many years to be level headed, I gotta tell you, I've been wondering.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

No, thank you Toby, you can't put words in my mouth. I don't accept your premise. It's exactly like I said. I know FAR-L and the Homegrown people would have nothing to do with theft, and because they may have made a legit deal with someone about their content, doesn't make them "supporting everything else that party may or MAY NOT do." (I honestly don't know the other people, and frankly, don't care to.)
They aren't answerable to you for their content, or how they want to market their product. I haven't checked, but I'll bet it's their name on the electric Bill.

Next, you'll say, because I wrote a few articles for a magazine, I was somehow responsible for an ad for one of the crooked vendors that may have appeared in the same issue with something I wrote?

While the rest of the industry stood around pulling Their collective pud, homegrown stood up against Acacia with their own money. I remember that one, do you? Everyone was hiding under the blankets and hoping Acacia wouldn't notice their website, while these guys went out and Kicked Acacia's ass.
On THEIR dime. (and they're STILL paying.) EVERYONE in ANY kind of streaming business OWES THEM.
The entire streaming video WORLD (not just adult,) benefited from their efforts. And if you can't see that, then man, I feel sorry for you.

And still, the "armchair legal minds" sat around on boards spouting off about how much bullshit it was. But they said it quietly, from under cover.
Not a whole lot of folks sending them checks, or joining the fight.
I for one, am VERY grateful.

If I knew nothing else about the Homegrown folks, that would be enough of a character statement to squelch any thought as to their "intentions."

I don't know what it is that's made you so bitter recently, but after knowing your words for so many years to be level headed, I gotta tell you, I've been wondering.

Much appreciated, EJ, i apologize for knocking on you previously. You are still good people in my book... no matter what Thrillhammer says about you. ;-)

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Much appreciated, EJ, i apologize for knocking on you previously. You are still good people in my book... no matter what Thrillhammer says about you. ;-)

He's just mad 'cause he's gotta drag that damn heavy chair all over the place......and I looked better on TV.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

I don't know what it is that's made you so bitter recently, but after knowing your words for so many years to be level headed, I gotta tell you, I've been wondering.

I'm not bitter, nor have I changed my views. The only thing that is different is that I am a bit more outspoken.

You're the only one in this thread defending Far-L's position. That in itself speaks volumes.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Toby

I'm not bitter, nor have I changed my views. The only thing that is different is that I am a bit more outspoken.

You're the only one in this thread defending Far-L's position. That in itself speaks volumes.

You've always been outspoken. And usually, level headed. And for years, I've respected your opinion. But in this case, I guess we just disagree. And there is nothing wrong with people disagreeing, I suppose.

You bet I support Far-l. Character counts. And in the last 11 years of the online biz that I've known Far-l, I know he's a standup guy, honest, and very helpful to the industry. As is his brother, and Spike.

And even if I didn't personally KNOW about their character, I would still be on the "content creator/owner's" side on this.
It is, very simply, the golden rule. "he who holds the gold, makes the golden rule."
It's Their product. THEY aren't doing anything wrong, except marketing their product in a way that has somehow tripped the "Toby moral alarm."

I don't know about the tube people, maybe they did what they are accused of. But I don't have an opinion, because they are just a company accused of something.
There is alot of that going around with these tube people...all of them. The big guys too. and with direct interaction.....ie, they own the site(s.) Why aren't you railing against them?

I didn't see one of them on your list.

So, if you want to say my defense of Far-L speaks something?
You bet. I'll take that. With Honor.

I don't agree with your interpretation of what it means, but I'll stand with them.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

The big guys too. and with direct interaction.....ie, they own the site(s.) Why aren't you railing against them?

I have no idea who you're referring to. Brazzers is on the list. They're the owners of Pornhub, Tube8, Keezmovies and Extremetube. If you're aware of other major sponsors/producers that own/operate illegal tube sites then by all means name them and show me the evidence they're connected. I'll add them to my blacklist.

Not every sponsor on my blacklist is there for the same reason. In fact most are there due to overly aggressive pre-checked cross sales.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Toby

I have no idea who you're referring to. Brazzers is on the list. They're the owners of Pornhub, Tube8, Keezmovies and Extremetube. If you're aware of other major sponsors/producers that own/operate illegal tube sites then by all means name them and show me the evidence they're connected. I'll add them to my blacklist.

Not every sponsor on my blacklist is there for the same reason. In fact most are there due to overly aggressive pre-checked cross sales.

It would be inappropriate of me to name them for several reasons, not least of which, is, I'm not privy to the details of the situation, only what I read in the media. Smart fellow like you will probably have it come to you. And frankly, I'd prefer you didn't ask me to confirm it when it does.

So I choose NOT to attack other people, even when I know for a fact they are using others' intellectual property in a way I don't approve of. It's Not my place to tell them how to run their business.