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[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Not funny "ha ha," funny "curious." As in, doesn't AEBN operate a "tube" site?
In fact, don't you all have a "cloudy" past with that?

And that's "you" in the 3rd person, not first or second.

English is a very imprecise language.

"Cloudy" is bringing up issues that have long since been rectified simply for the purpose of beating a horse that has been dead for years and immaterial to the question at hand.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

"Cloudy" is bringing up issues that have long since been rectified simply for the purpose of beating a horse that has been dead for years and immaterial to the question at hand.

No, I specifically said "cloudy," so as to avoid the chance of bringing up the issue you just specified, in the manner you seem to be hinting at. And I STILL won't bring it up for that reason.

I'm simply saying, that from a public perception issue, which is usually wrong, your company operates a tube site now. (Although, I think you might argue it is now an "up-sell site," it is still perceived to be a tube site for marketing purposes, no?

SO......for you to object to the promotion of "tube sites," whatever they may be, actually, and the public's perception, is certainly "cloudy." Because, although you may call it an "upsell site," the public will still perceive it as a "tube site," which I think is exactly your intention?

[Toby]

Let me interject a little something here in the interest of clarity.

I do believe Liz was referring to illegal tube sites with her original query above, which is a far cry from anything owned by AEBN.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Toby

Let me interject a little something here in the interest of clarity.

I do believe Liz was referring to illegal tube sites with her original query above, which is a far cry from anything owned by AEBN.

I appreciate your input, but she didn't say that, and I don't recall that happening on the show, and I was very careful to not mention anything of that sort.

And I don't particularly like being accused of saying something wrong, which I didn't. However, if what you suggest is the case, then the topic WOULD be pertinent for discusion, which, I still believe it wasn't.

However, in any case, I didn't bring it up, now did I?

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

No, I specifically said "cloudy," so as to avoid the chance of bringing up the issue you just specified, in the manner you seem to be hinting at. And I STILL won't bring it up for that reason.

I'm simply saying, that from a public perception issue, which is usually wrong, your company operates a tube site now. (Although, I think you might argue it is now an "up-sell site," it is still perceived to be a tube site for marketing purposes, no?)

SO......for you to object to the promotion of "tube sites," whatever they may be, actually, and the public's perception, is certainly "cloudy." Because, although you may call it an "upsell site," the public will still perceive it as a "tube site," which I think is exactly your intention?

Originally Posted by Toby

Let me interject a little something here in the interest of clarity.

I do believe Liz was referring to illegal tube sites with her original query above, which is a far cry from anything owned by AEBN.

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

I appreciate your input, but she didn't say that, and I don't recall that happening on the show, and I was very careful to not mention anything of that sort.

And I don't particularly like being accused of saying something wrong, which I didn't. However, if what you suggest is the case, then the topic WOULD be pertinent for discusion, which, I still believe it wasn't.

However, in any case, I didn't bring it up, now did I?

*sigh*

OK, or we could get into a semantics debate.

For the purposes of this conversation, yes, Violet Blue did advocate the use of tubes, as noted here .

This quote, specifically, indicates advocacy of watching porn for free in its entirety:
"When Violet sits down to watch porn for personal pleasure, she says she has a checklist of criteria. "If I don't want to pay for them, I can go online to one of the free tube sites that are basically like YouTube for porn, and I can select by genre. I can click on something [and then] click away if I don't like it," she says. "It's a much more targeted experience for someone like me.""

In particular, her use of "if I don't want to pay" indicates that porn shouldn't be paid for. [Also: you're welcome for having actual the actual points to which I am referring made easily available. See how much easier that makes it to actually discuss things?]

Which is the conversation I was curious about, not semantical debate.

But if you feel it's more important to rehash old news instead of debate, that's fine too.

And Toby? Thank you for getting my point.