What Are you Top Concerns with Tube Sites?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Gonzo, the (pay) tubes offering a 1 time membership can do it because they have taken the biggest expenses of the business (buying, encoding, tagging, sorting, and maintaining content) and forked that over to the user who is paying. The only ongoing expense is hosting / bandwidth, and they all run more than enough advertising and such to cover that, plus I can imagine they aren't shy to push their members onto cross sales and such.

If I could run a paysite with all the income and none of the expenses, and still be able to charge a going rate for it, then yeah, I would be dumb not to. Unless of course I was putting myself at legal risk for doing it.

Looks like there has been a broadstroke applied to the term Tube.


Id deliniate them this way.
Paid Tube
Legal Tube
Thieving Tube

[tony404]

I dont have a problem with legal tubes. I have a problem with illegal tubes giving away full stolen scenes peoples sweat and blood. I also feel the more free porn out that's very easy to access the more of a chance of governments cracking down. The net giving away so much much free shit killed the porn is recession proof model. I had worked in adult during recessions and it was recession proof but on the net its not.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by tony404

I dont have a problem with legal tubes. I have a problem with illegal tubes giving away full stolen scenes peoples sweat and blood. I also feel the more free porn out that's very easy to access the more of a chance of governments cracking down. The net giving away so much much free shit killed the porn is recession proof model. I had worked in adult during recessions and it was recession proof but on the net its not.

I largely agree at this point now that we have 6+ months of data. But there's more in play here than just a recession and free content.

First, this is a recession with a credit crunch. I remain convinced that we're going to find out that the number of college freshman getting peppered with student credit card offers and actually obtaining one is way off from years past. Others who carry large credit balances may now have found their 10K limit dropped to 5K....and they may be maxed now.

The other thing is cross sells and other credit card shenanigans in our biz continues to erode the trust factor. And along with it an ever growing customer base is becoming an ever shrinking number of actual qualified buyers. Lots of eyeballs, fewer and fewer willing to trust us with a credit card number.

We're in a perfect storm of all of this coming together.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I largely agree at this point now that we have 6+ months of data. But there's more in play here than just a recession and free content.

First, this is a recession with a credit crunch. I remain convinced that we're going to find out that the number of college freshman getting peppered with student credit card offers and actually obtaining one is way off from years past. Others who carry large credit balances may now have found their 10K limit dropped to 5K....and they may be maxed now.

The other thing is cross sells and other credit card shenanigans in our biz continues to erode the trust factor. And along with it an ever growing customer base is becoming an ever shrinking number of actual qualified buyers. Lots of eyeballs, fewer and fewer willing to trust us with a credit card number.

We're in a perfect storm of all of this coming together.

I agree with you on that. I see rebills not going thru and the sucky part is since we combined the site retention has gone way up.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Looks like there has been a broadstroke applied to the term Tube.


Id deliniate them this way.
Paid Tube
Legal Tube
Thieving Tube

I think that would be appropriate internally to us, but not to the end user. All they see is porn.

The differences they see are:

free tubes
free tubes signup for more
free tubes join for free and get nailed with pre-checked cross sales
free tubes with content hotlinked to other tubes
free tubes with no content just jack your ass round.
free tubes that install spyware
free tubes that install spyware and try to get your credit card info too
free tubes
free tubes
more free tubes.

It doesn't matter how it appears to us, it's how the public sees it.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I think that would be appropriate internally to us, but not to the end user. All they see is porn.

The differences they see are:

free tubes
free tubes signup for more
free tubes join for free and get nailed with pre-checked cross sales
free tubes with content hotlinked to other tubes
free tubes with no content just jack your ass round.
free tubes that install spyware
free tubes that install spyware and try to get your credit card info too
free tubes
free tubes
more free tubes.

It doesn't matter how it appears to us, it's how the public sees it.

If a free tube site is using promo content...I submit to you that they are a glorfied MGP.

If you think that offering 5+ minutes of a video is profitable then we will see you on the for sale block.

Alpha Red is gone...no where to host your bullshit.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Alpha Red is gone...no where to host your bullshit.

And Red Tube is offline as well, even though the DNS still points the Ch00pa.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by gonzo

If a free tube site is using promo content...I submit to you that they are a glorfied MGP.

If you think that offering 5+ minutes of a video is profitable then we will see you on the for sale block.

Alpha Red is gone...no where to host your bullshit.

Again, you are thinking like a web business guy. Think of it as a surfer, what do they see? If you present the clips in a certain manner, or you accept user submits, or whatever, then there is potential that you have clips bigger than 2 minutes. Heck, some sponsors are putting out 3 minute clips at this point. Throw in a few purchased clips that are longer, accept some user submits, and off you go. Like many sites, you can put up a 5 clip or 10 clip per day deal and block most people out.

From the business side, many of the tube sites are now predicated on getting the punter to sign up "for free" or for a "special download priority pass" or whatever, so either collecting money up front, or cross selling the "free" signup until the guy's credit card goes into shock. Plus many of them are stacked with ads, and sites like megarotic basically force click every viewer to adult friend finder (their play button triggers a new windows with AFF in it).

So yeah, the absolute cheapest bandwidth provider has left the building, but there is plenty more cheap bandwidth around if you look for it.