What Are you Top Concerns with Tube Sites?

[RawAlex]

Cams and dating sites can't be tubed or torrented very easily, which makes them good products to sell using porn as the freebie to get them in the door. However, the ever increasing payouts on these sites is a clear indication that most of them are market saturated to the max, and that it is likely that most of the traffic being sent to them is people who already have an account, had an account, or otherwise won't pay out anymore. It's easy to pay $125 or $200 a signup whatever when 90% of the traffic has no hope of being a signup.

So basically, you need a product that can't be tubed or torrented. Pills, hookers, or t-shirts might work.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Cams and dating sites can't be tubed or torrented very easily, which makes them good products to sell using porn as the freebie to get them in the door. However, the ever increasing payouts on these sites is a clear indication that most of them are market saturated to the max, and that it is likely that most of the traffic being sent to them is people who already have an account, had an account, or otherwise won't pay out anymore. It's easy to pay $125 or $200 a signup whatever when 90% of the traffic has no hope of being a signup.

So basically, you need a product that can't be tubed or torrented. Pills, hookers, or t-shirts might work.

Yup, saturation is a whole different issue.

And there's another one in regards to the payouts. The economic system with adult affiliates is broken, it has been for a long long time. If you want a program of a significant size, the pressure is there to pay at least $35 a signup. And if you want a really big share of the sheep, do the $100+ payout days.

Meanwhile, the economics and mechanics of a signup alone dictate that a customer is not worth anywhere near that right now.

What happens then is anytime anyone in adult anywhere gets a surfer to part with their credit card number, we pile everything we possibly can onto the card to feed the cash engine.

I have a pretty good idea how this corrects itself finally...

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

What happens then is anytime anyone in adult anywhere gets a surfer to part with their credit card number, we pile everything we possibly can onto the card to feed the cash engine.

I have a pretty good idea how this corrects itself finally...

Rumor has it in the billing circles that Visa has laid down warnings and fines. I suspect all this fake altruistic moving of the pre checked links above the submit button are a direct result of it.

Not the change of heart they all claim theyve had.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Yup, saturation is a whole different issue.

And there's another one in regards to the payouts. The economic system with adult affiliates is broken, it has been for a long long time. If you want a program of a significant size, the pressure is there to pay at least $35 a signup. And if you want a really big share of the sheep, do the $100+ payout days.

Meanwhile, the economics and mechanics of a signup alone dictate that a customer is not worth anywhere near that right now.

What happens then is anytime anyone in adult anywhere gets a surfer to part with their credit card number, we pile everything we possibly can onto the card to feed the cash engine.

I have a pretty good idea how this corrects itself finally...

The whole affiliates system has been broken for years. It has led to sites and sponsors putting 50% or more of their turn over into traffic generation. Often the only place they could get the money from was content. The trend of most of the Internet is to deliver a poor product and send as much traffic as possible to it. The competition was who could pay the most to get traffic. Rarely was it about who could produce the best porn, give the members the best experience and retain the longest.

The result is the surfer not being able to see the value of signing up to a site that will likely make it hard for him to cancel, bill his card beyond what he wanted or thought and deliver a product that simply was not worth it in his eyes.

So the solution of many is to pay the affiliates more to send more traffic and give the surfer less. Good long term plan.

Many many sites could afford to have online webcam of the girls in the scenes on the sites. Many sites could afford to invest in great content shot by people who know what they are doing. And many site could retain longer and keep the surfer buying porn. If they were not paying out so much to affiliates. You can't keep paying out 50% of your turnover to get people to pass your shop window which is full of stuff that does not sell.

I have a pretty good idea how this corrects itself finally...

It has already started.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Cams and dating sites can't be tubed or torrented very easily, which makes them good products to sell using porn as the freebie to get them in the door. However, the ever increasing payouts on these sites is a clear indication that most of them are market saturated to the max, and that it is likely that most of the traffic being sent to them is people who already have an account, had an account, or otherwise won't pay out anymore. It's easy to pay $125 or $200 a signup whatever when 90% of the traffic has no hope of being a signup.

So basically, you need a product that can't be tubed or torrented. Pills, hookers, or t-shirts might work.

Great post. There are now other elements to consider.

The economic downturn is going to effect porn. It will make more surfers who do buy less likely and more wary. There will be some who will simply stop buying porn/Adult and there will be those who will stop chasing the dream of meeting a woman on AFF. The revenue all of us are suffering will effect the dating and cam sites ability to pay the bills of the Tube sites, without all those who did buy still surfing the Tubes to get their kicks.