Piracy Summit Speakers

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

And alienated their customer base while doing it. I haven't bought a CD since they shut down napster.

I do now buy stuff from Itunes and other sources that let me have that instant gratification and choose the cuts I like.

you produce content and had a problem shutting down a company that gave someone elses work away for free?

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by tony404

you produce content and had a problem shutting down a company that gave someone elses work away for free?

I also find lesbians sexy but two gay guys butt humping to be disgusting.

[Paul Markham]

Without more controls and less the freedom the fight against piracy will always be uphill.

Make it illegal to advertise on a site that clearly promotes the theft of any content and the piracy issue will diminish. Those who promote sharing (STEALING) probably will not be very keen to put up sites they can't profit from. I bet they won't let you advertise if you don't pay or would be furious if you stole their traffic.

Also make it ISPs responsible for who is uploading content. It would be simple to do, if you're not approved you can't upload. A law that was written to protect hosts has been used by pirates to protect them. How does anyone know if the content was uploaded by someone independent of the site or someone employed by the site?

HP do you think theft of porn is cool then?

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Also make it ISPs responsible for who is uploading content. It would be simple to do, if you're not approved you can't upload.

How would that be simple?
Half of the software on my computer needs upload to call home, My OS needs upload to update its self, send bug reports etc. How would I send email? How would I update my websites?

ISPs will not be able to monitor every individual on a network EVER and even if they do "approve" me, how do they know what I'm doing if i were to use an encrypted torrent system? (which will be the next stage in piracy).
If I upload a zip file called 'myupdates.zip' to my website, how do they know whats actually inside that zip?

While I agree that they should take some responsibility, its easy to point the finger at ISPs.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

How would that be simple?
Half of the software on my computer needs upload to call home, My OS needs upload to update its self, send bug reports etc. How would I send email? How would I update my websites?

ISPs will not be able to monitor every individual on a network EVER and even if they do "approve" me, how do they know what I'm doing if i were to use an encrypted torrent system? (which will be the next stage in piracy).
If I upload a zip file called 'myupdates.zip' to my website, how do they know whats actually inside that zip?

While I agree that they should take some responsibility, its easy to point the finger at ISPs.

I pay as much attention to what Paul says as I do about him keeping his word.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

How would that be simple?
Half of the software on my computer needs upload to call home, My OS needs upload to update its self, send bug reports etc. How would I send email? How would I update my websites?

ISPs will not be able to monitor every individual on a network EVER and even if they do "approve" me, how do they know what I'm doing if i were to use an encrypted torrent system? (which will be the next stage in piracy).
If I upload a zip file called 'myupdates.zip' to my website, how do they know whats actually inside that zip?

While I agree that they should take some responsibility, its easy to point the finger at ISPs.

Ifyou can't get approved as an uploader to your own ISP then you need to find out why. It would need changes in the way we work, but it can be done. It would need the law to be worded so it's not a slam dunk disqualification if one rogue person uploaded something wrongly. But the law needs to be changed some way so ISPs don't just turn around and claim they are not responsible.

Or we all lose out.

Got any better ideas.

Gonzo prove it or fuck off.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Ifyou can't get approved as an uploader to your own ISP then you need to find out why. It would need changes in the way we work, but it can be done. It would need the law to be worded so it's not a slam dunk disqualification if one rogue person uploaded something wrongly. But the law needs to be changed some way so ISPs don't just turn around and claim they are not responsible.

Or we all lose out.

Got any better ideas.

Gonzo prove it or fuck off.

You can fuck off Paul.

Everyone here knows you talk out both sides of your neck. Bashing the tubes publically and then begging them for the promotion on the other hand.

Add to you showing up here about once a month to stir some shit in an effort to sell your content or shill for some free promo and disappear shortly after to repeat the cycle.

May work for the GFY crowd but all of us here know better.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Ifyou can't get approved as an uploader to your own ISP then you need to find out why. It would need changes in the way we work, but it can be done.

so i get approved to upload - as do 10 million other people on my network how do you think my isp can sit and monitor us all 365/24/7? no isp could possibly have those kind of resources.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

so i get approved to upload - as do 10 million other people on my network how do you think my isp can sit and monitor us all 365/24/7? no isp could possibly have those kind of resources.

At some point, the ISPs will end up being forced to take action to avoid legal liablity. Many ISPs already block standard outgoing email ports to avoid simple minded spammers, so in some ways they are already controlling and checking what their clients do. Examining at least in passing all non-port80 traffic would likely be a good way to spot people serving files, and then you can check to see what files they are offering. You don't have to check every data packet of every user, just run a big sample, find out who is doing what, and then look at them more closely.

The traffic shaping software has been pretty effective (read so effective people noticed) so it wouldn't be hard to use that same sort of data to target network users and check to see if they have potentially illegal content.

P2P isn't that easy to hide, no matter how much they try.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

so i get approved to upload - as do 10 million other people on my network how do you think my isp can sit and monitor us all 365/24/7? no isp could possibly have those kind of resources.

Sorry I'm not with you, why should an ISP have 10 million people uploading to them. Not saying it does not happen but can you explain please.

Of course I'm talking about an ISP that is publishing content from it's uploaders, from hosting companies to Tube sites. Maybe it would not work, but I doubt if the Piracy Summit will come up with anything. This industry does not have the balls to take on Pirates as an industry.

I came up with something that did not work. So shoot me. After 8 years of everyone listening to the experts about how the business should be run we are where we are today. Tube sites with crap content, crap quality and crap speeds taking all the traffic. Thank God everyone listened to the experts.

More lies from Gonzo. Prove I have a trade deal with Redtube. Or is giving them a few samples a trade deal in your book. You say I backed out on an agreement and then lie and lie instead of proving yourself right. I'm challenging you to tell me here what the agreement was and where, when and how we made it. If you're right I will stick to it.

If you're wrong I will tell you how you're wrong. I doubt if you will tell me.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Without more controls and less the freedom the fight against piracy will always be uphill.

Make it illegal to advertise on a site that clearly promotes the theft of any content and the piracy issue will diminish... [snip]

Since when is it a good idea to get the government involved in approving ad space on a non-harmful product?

As far as I am aware, the only legal restrictions on advertising media is for smokine - in all other cases, it is self regulated by the ad world itself. Case in point: the trouble finding ad space for Zack and Miri. No governmental agency or sidearm is making it difficult - that is strictly at the choice of the agencies that have space inventories.

No, Paul, while I certainly have problems with the tacit approval of theft by those who choose to advertise on the sites in question, I think the solution is to make the option to do so untenable rather than illegal.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Since when is it a good idea to get the government involved in approving ad space on a non-harmful product?

As far as I am aware, the only legal restrictions on advertising media is for smokine - in all other cases, it is self regulated by the ad world itself. Case in point: the trouble finding ad space for Zack and Miri. No governmental agency or sidearm is making it difficult - that is strictly at the choice of the agencies that have space inventories.

No, Paul, while I certainly have problems with the tacit approval of theft by those who choose to advertise on the sites in question, I think the solution is to make the option to do so untenable rather than illegal.

Non harmful????

It's harming the profitability of the Internet. I have no problem with you buying content or using content you own to advertsie webcams or dating sites or even your own site. I do have a problem with you having content that is obviously stolen on your site so you can earn a profit.

You don't care because you're laughing all the way to the bank.

buggerlugs as I said it would be content intended for publication, are you talking about computers communicating with each other?

Gonzo I knew you had no case and would come up with more lies. I have never said traffic does not matter in this business. I have said it matters less than many people think. Less is not does not matter. Keep twisting my words.

All my solutions to Tubes are pipe dreams. The Goverments of the world are unlikely to get together to ban the theft of propert on the Internet, the industry will do little about it and some will fight tooth and nail to keep the ability to profit from theft. As for the industry looking at winning the surfer back by giving him something he wants to buy, that's even more of a pipe dream.

Threads and seminars like these usually end up as a waste of time. I don't have the time to waste.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Non harmful????

It's harming the profitability of the Internet. I have no problem with you buying content or using content you own to advertsie webcams or dating sites or even your own site. I do have a problem with you having content that is obviously stolen on your site so you can earn a profit.

You don't care because you're laughing all the way to the bank...[snip]

Wait, what?

You're creating an argument that porn is harmful? And analogous to smoking, so therefore either it - or the wide and varied world of the internet should be limited to the type of speech you find appropriate, in the format you approve? Is that what you're saying? Because that's what it looks like.

I'm not entirely sure where you're coming up with the idea that a) I have stolen content or b) that I am "laughing all the way to the bank" - or really what the second has to do with anything regardless, as I'm not entirely sure my take-home pay is germane to the conversation at hand.

I find it profoundly distubring that you feel regulation at a federal - or possible international level, since the internet defies political boundaries, which is part of what makes it great - level appropriate or necessary, considering your niche of choice is one of the very ones that bring us, as an industry, under scrutiny.

Which is where that whole "free speech" thing comes into play.