Prechecked cross sales do surfers have any responsibility whatsoever?

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

If disclosed in the terms and conditions and in an obvious spot I'm not sure I agree with you on this.

They were pitched on the $1 trial, $2.95 3 days or whatever but they are given a choice to stick with it or not. No one is holding a gun to their head and saying. "you gotta take these other offers" or you're not getting in. If they can see and read and they are above the join button then they absolutely have the capability to make their own choice on how to proceed. I won't say whetehr I agree or not but either way it was way too much agreement here between everybody to be a decent discussion so I feel I must chime in and not let everybody be too comfortable in their chumminess....

Here's a scenerio for you. You go in to buy a new car. The lease rate is $299. per month. When you get the contract to sign, there are a couple of little boxes at the bottom already checked for you by the computer that adds in "rust proofing" "simonized interior" and "upgraded hubcaps". On the back inside the terms (which runs the full size of the form) there is disclosure (written out as total cost for rust proofing is one thousand nine hundred and ninety five dollars). So when the first monthly payment is due, you are suddently paying $389, because all those extra pre-checks have to get paid for during the lease term.

I bet you would be pissed off, and you would say it is wrong that they pre-checked the boxes without explaining to you. They will say "it's on the contract you signed". Legally, they may be just barely in the right, but you know you will never do business with them again.

There is too much agreement here because most of the people posting here these days are pretty level headed and want to have a business to do again tomorrow. Many of the people here have been around since the very first scams, and we have a pretty good feeling where this train wreck is going.

I have seen three types of people disagreeing about this: Bros / standup guys / top notch playahs, suckups who are dependant on programs to pay their bills, and newer people enjoying the big payouts not realizing the implications. Outside of that, I have seen little agreement with this concept.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Here's a scenerio for you. You go in to buy a new car. The lease rate is $299. per month. When you get the contract to sign, there are a couple of little boxes at the bottom already checked for you by the computer that adds in "rust proofing" "simonized interior" and "upgraded hubcaps". On the back inside the terms (which runs the full size of the form) there is disclosure (written out as total cost for rust proofing is one thousand nine hundred and ninety five dollars). So when the first monthly payment is due, you are suddently paying $389, because all those extra pre-checks have to get paid for during the lease term.

I bet you would be pissed off, and you would say it is wrong that they pre-checked the boxes without explaining to you. They will say "it's on the contract you signed". Legally, they may be just barely in the right, but you know you will never do business with them again.

There is too much agreement here because most of the people posting here these days are pretty level headed and want to have a business to do again tomorrow. Many of the people here have been around since the very first scams, and we have a pretty good feeling where this train wreck is going.

I have seen three types of people disagreeing about this: Bros / standup guys / top notch playahs, suckups who are dependant on programs to pay their bills, and newer people enjoying the big payouts not realizing the implications. Outside of that, I have seen little agreement with this concept.

You know who I am far more pissed at in that scenario? Myself for being dumb enough to not fully understand what I was agreeing to before signing on the dotted line. ESPECIALLY on a contract that ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES a long term committment. Everything was where I could take the time to read it. If I didn't take the time to go over the contract and know what it meant to sign it it's MY responibility. I've already said I think the cross sells should be easy to see above the join button so they know what they are agreeing to.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

You know who I am far more pissed at in that scenario? Myself for being dumb enough to not fully understand what I was agreeing to before signing on the dotted line. ESPECIALLY on a contract that ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES a long term committment. Everything was where I could take the time to read it. If I didn't take the time to go over the contract and know what it meant to sign it it's MY responibility. I've already said I think the cross sells should be easy to see above the join button so they know what they are agreeing to.

Don;t you think it would be equally good to require a total charges - Your total today is $4.95, your total in 4 days is $120.74. ? All for fair disclosure, right?

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Don;t you think it would be equally good to require a total charges - Your total today is $4.95, your total in 4 days is $120.74. ? All for fair disclosure, right?

I certainly would not oppose it.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

I certainly would not oppose it.

I suspect if programs were obliged to do this, they would drop the cross sales in a second because no sane person is going to sign up for $120 of month recurring charges for porn.