Americans are Suckers....u get 200 bucks from Bush and u think

[DannyCox]

The big problem about living in Canada and the semi-socialist mindset is that we have to pay for all those social programs with our tax dollars. We really have no incentives here to be a successful entrepreneur. The government has tightly closed all the "loopholes" (I always got a kick about something legal called a loophole) to wring out every last penny from us.

I pay more in personal tax every year than the average person makes, and when you factor in all the nickle and diming they do with all the other extras that come off you check every month, I give the government half my money (actually more when you factor in the various federal and provincial sales takes). My companies get nailed with all sorts of ridiculous taxes also. I just love the "payroll tax" where I have to pay a percentage to the government for every dollar of salary that I pay out (and I have to collect and remit the taxes for those employees too!). 1 or 2% (I forgot) of the annual salary I pay out every year (before deductions) has to go to employee training, and if I don't, I have to pay the government that 2%.

I get really frustrated at times. Accountants can barely keep up with the monthly changes the government makes, and too many of the tax changes are retroactive. I do an annual corporate return, pay what I owe on time, but then get tax invoices every 2 months due to changes the government made. For some reason, those changes just have never been in my favour!

Canada is a great country, except for the amount we have to pay! Yes, we have "free" health-care on the surface, but we pay a lot more for that "free" health-care in taxes than the cost of the best plans in the US.

Okay, rant mode off

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

The big problem about living in Canada and the semi-socialist mindset is that we have to pay for all those social programs with our tax dollars. .......................

..................Canada is a great country, except for the amount we have to pay! Yes, we have "free" health-care on the surface, but we pay a lot more for that "free" health-care in taxes than the cost of the best plans in the US.

Okay, rant mode off

That's the part that scares me.....I'm afraid when the government, (any government) gets involved with health care, (or anything else for that matter,) they always do it inefficiently, and over-cost. And usually, the service they provide is the lowest common denominator.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

That's the part that scares me.....I'm afraid when the government, (any government) gets involved with health care, (or anything else for that matter,) they always do it inefficiently, and over-cost. And usually, the service they provide is the lowest common denominator.

Unlike the bloated hmo system that monster that the US has created. I have my problems with universal health care, but all in all it works pretty well. I don't have to worry about going broke because of an accident or an unforseen illness. I lived in England and that system is a hybrid that works really well. When you go into a private hospital you even get a wine list and the private insurance is affordable.
As for taxes, yup we do pay em and I do hate em. But it we do have a pretty fair distribution of the wealth. It doesn't take a lot of money to get into the top 5 per cent of earners in Canada.
As for trickle down.....it doesn't work. The money flees offshore.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Unlike the bloated hmo system that monster that the US has created. I have my problems with universal health care, but all in all it works pretty well. I don't have to worry about going broke because of an accident or an unforseen illness. I lived in England and that system is a hybrid that works really well. When you go into a private hospital you even get a wine list and the private insurance is affordable.
As for taxes, yup we do pay em and I do hate em. But it we do have a pretty fair distribution of the wealth. It doesn't take a lot of money to get into the top 5 per cent of earners in Canada.
As for trickle down.....it doesn't work. The money flees offshore.

Your observations and conclusions are simply wrong.
Phrases like "pretty fair distribution of the wealth" are fundamentally flawed, for the same reason the US healthcare system is flawed.
You cannot run a healthcare system on a "for profit" basis alone. Until that core is replaced, no one will get it straight.

But Socialism, your "pretty fair distribution of the wealth," doesn't work either.
It's unnatural. The entire planet is about "survival of the fittest," and it's ugly stepchild, "capitalism."
There is no "pure" solution.

And I watch parliment all the time.....and all I ever hear is complaints about their healthcare system.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Your observations and conclusions are simply wrong.
Phrases like "pretty fair distribution of the wealth" are fundamentally flawed, for the same reason the US healthcare system is flawed.
You cannot run a healthcare system on a "for profit" basis alone. Until that core is replaced, no one will get it straight.

But Socialism, your "pretty fair distribution of the wealth," doesn't work either.
It's unnatural. The entire planet is about "survival of the fittest," and it's ugly stepchild, "capitalism."
There is no "pure" solution.

And I watch parliment all the time.....and all I ever hear is complaints about their healthcare system.

You are fundamentally wrong. It is a dog eat dog world. Darwin works. However, some great minds with weak bodies and/or poor social skills have driven us to where we are today. I hope you never have to be in a wheelchair in a third world country where you will hardly have access to a toilet. It is what separates civilized countries from bongo countries and men from animals.
As for bitching about health care in Canada, it is akin to bitching about taxes anywhere in the world. It works for most and most don't bitch. Watching parliament is like watching the WWE but with a room full of politicians paid to bitch in an adversarial system. But you have to be bright enough to catch that little nuance and judging by your posts, your education is somewhat lacking Emp. But you seem to have a lot of opinions based on....well your opinions. But hey, I am just a pathetic cross dresser, what would I know?