Americans: You have te right to bear arms

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Toby

C'mon now, I know you don't really think most people in that situation would even consider that an option.

Besides, a good bitch-slapping is far more embarrassing making it much more likely that the life lesson will be remembered.

Toby, the point is this: Not everyone in the US is as capable of good judgement as you or Nymph might be able to exercise. Her so called "small minded man" might also be small minded enough to settle things with flying bullets instead of flying fists, example.

If the gun is present, there is potential for it's use. If there are no guns present, there is no chance they will get used (obviously!).

[Toby]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

If the gun is present, there is potential for it's use. If there are no guns present, there is no chance they will get used (obviously!).

Drunk drivers kill far more people than handguns, but I don't see anyone seriously trying to ban the sale of cars or alcohol. Your arguments simply don't hold up.

Since I know you'll ask, here are some hard numbers. 2005 was the most recent year that I could find National numbers for both without wasting a ton of time.

Alcohol related auto fatalities - 16,885 (source - CDC)
Handgun related homicides - 8,478 (source - DOJ)

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Toby

Drunk drivers kill far more people than handguns, but I don't see anyone seriously trying to ban the sale of cars or alcohol. Your arguments simply don't hold up.

Since I know you'll ask, here are some hard numbers. 2005 was the most recent year that I could find National numbers for both without wasting a ton of time.

Alcohol related auto fatalities - 16,885 (source - CDC)
Handgun related homicides - 8,478 (source - DOJ)

Sorry Toby, but when you can explain to me how many people got to work driving their guns or how many people picked up a girl in a bar because they drank their guns or whatnot, this argument is ALWAYS a non-starter.

It gets back to my point: Guns have two purposes, kill or threaten to kill. 100% of the use of guns is to inflict pain and suffering. 99.99% of all miles driving in a car (and 99% of all people who have a drink) aren't killers or threatening to kill anyone.

it is the same worn out logic as to knives, axes, pens, rope, and about a million other things that can use used to kill someone. The point isn't that they can kill, because all you need to kill are your fists (let's cut everyone's hands off!). The point is that all of those items have good and valid uses that don't involve killing other people.

NRA member?

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sorry Toby, but when you can explain to me how many people got to work driving their guns or how many people picked up a girl in a bar because they drank their guns or whatnot, this argument is ALWAYS a non-starter.

It gets back to my point: Guns have two purposes, kill or threaten to kill. 100% of the use of guns is to inflict pain and suffering. 99.99% of all miles driving in a car (and 99% of all people who have a drink) aren't killers or threatening to kill anyone.

it is the same worn out logic as to knives, axes, pens, rope, and about a million other things that can use used to kill someone. The point isn't that they can kill, because all you need to kill are your fists (let's cut everyone's hands off!). The point is that all of those items have good and valid uses that don't involve killing other people.

NRA member?

Sometimes, a thing is necessary.
M.A.D. seems to have worked, now didn't it?

Not sure Hitler would have stopped for a Beer. Or did you imagine the Japanese wouldn't have come down through Alaska, and invaded Canada, had they not been stopped?
Where you going to through beer at them? Fortunately for you, you never had to find out. Your American Neighbors saved your ass.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Sometimes, a thing is necessary.
M.A.D. seems to have worked, now didn't it?

Not sure Hitler would have stopped for a Beer. Or did you imagine the Japanese wouldn't have come down through Alaska, and invaded Canada, had they not been stopped?
Where you going to through beer at them? Fortunately for you, you never had to find out. Your American Neighbors saved your ass.

You silly boy. If it wasn't for our American neighbours, we wouldn't have had the Japanese to worry about. They invaded you. Or did this little thought escape you? You prolly read about the time when you were dragged kicking and screaming...yet again....into a major conflict. In fact the only two major conflicts you have been involved in, you came in late while we along with anyone else with a conscience were doing our best to stop evil in its tracks. I hope you feel safe with your peashooter that someone could take off you in a heartbeat and pop a cap in your sorry ass.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You silly boy. If it wasn't for our American neighbours, we wouldn't have had the Japanese to worry about. They invaded you. Or did this little thought escape you? You prolly read about the time when you were dragged kicking and screaming...yet again....into a major conflict. In fact the only two major conflicts you have been involved in, you came in late while we along with anyone else with a conscience were doing our best to stop evil in its tracks. I hope you feel safe with your peashooter that someone could take off you in a heartbeat and pop a cap in your sorry ass.

So, let me get this right....on one hand, you condem us for trying to stay OUT of World war 2, until you had all but lost it, and then, you condem us on the other hand for acting proactively against other ills in the world?
I think you just like to complain about what we do. You should just concentrate on yourself, and stop worrying about what we do.
You don't see us bitching about your action, or, should I say, inaction, now do you?

How would you feel if the marines landed in Darfur?