Americans: You have te right to bear arms

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Post #61 in this thread:



But don't let fact get in the way of a good whine

"investment" isn't a very good reason. I have no doubt that there are plenty of other things you could have invested in that would give a good return as well, without risking the safety of your family or neighbors.

After all, if investment was the reason to buy a gun, you would have them in a safety deposit box and not in the drawer next to your bed.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

"investment" isn't a very good reason. I have no doubt that there are plenty of other things you could have invested in that would give a good return as well, without risking the safety of your family or neighbors.

After all, if investment was the reason to buy a gun, you would have them in a safety deposit box and not in the drawer next to your bed.

Investment is actually a great reason to buy guns. They are a commodity just like anything else but they never go down, always up. Mine are usually in a gun safe as a matter of fact, they have never been in a drawer next to my bed..lol. I don't have a drawer next to my bed.

As far as home protection goes a shotgun beats the shit out of any handgun. My wife's weapon of choice is an M1, again, not a handgun.

But handguns go up a lot quicker in value so are a better investment in my opinion, although the M1 has gone up in value about 300% as the WWII vintage get harder to find. A Girand in particular would be a great investment opportunity.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Investment is actually a great reason to buy guns. They are a commodity just like anything else but they never go down, always up. Mine are usually in a gun safe as a matter of fact, they have never been in a drawer next to my bed..lol. I don't have a drawer next to my bed.

As far as home protection goes a shotgun beats the shit out of any handgun. My wife's weapon of choice is an M1, again, not a handgun.

But handguns go up a lot quicker in value so are a better investment in my opinion, although the M1 has gone up in value about 300% as the WWII vintage get harder to find. A Girand in particular would be a great investment opportunity.

Okay, now... dumb question: If huge numbers of guns are produced each year (millions in the US) why would they go up in value? Rarity is usually an indication of increasing value, but if everyone is being good citizens such as yourself and locking them and not leaving them lying around to be stolen, why would they ever go up in price?

I can understand the idea of very rare (vintage) weapons, say from the civil war, having some clear value, but I cannot picture why a standard .38 revolver (that literally millions of copies have been made of) would be worth anything...

EJ, you miss the point again (I think you are purposely going there). I am not asking you the legal question, but the moral one. Why do you need a gun? I find it hard that you cannot understand that criminals got their handguns from somewhere... so the issue most gun owners use to justify purchase (for protection!) is just feeding the fire a little more.

Perhaps if every adult in the US was required to pay an extra $500 (price of a decent handgun) to the local police force each year, they could do more protecting for you. Perhaps if the gun lobby wasn't so strong, there would be an automatic life imprisonment for anyone commiting a felony with a handgun. Perhaps one day people like you might see that their love of weapons is in fact the reason they are needed.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

.............
EJ, you miss the point again (I think you are purposely going there). I am not asking you the legal question, but the moral one. Why do you need a gun? I find it hard that you cannot understand that criminals got their handguns from somewhere... so the issue most gun owners use to justify purchase (for protection!) is just feeding the fire a little more.
...........

Moral question? Why is it a "Moral Question?" Why are you a pornographer? If want to start talking "Morals?"

I don't see it as a "moral" question, so I don't have a "moral" answer for you? I did give very sound reasons earlier.....as if I needed a reason, but I did answer.

Simply put, because THEY have them. "They," as in any one that would want to subject me or mine to their will in whatever form offends me. A Gun puts me on equal footing with the "bad guys."
The genie is out of the bottle, and "they" have them.
Let me give you something to think about.....had it been possible for Americans to carry guns on planes, do you really think 2 of them would have crashed into the towers? That happened because the terrorist counted on a passive response from crew and passengers. And they (The terrorists) knew they had "Superior weapons."
The plane that crashed here in Pennsylvania would certainly have turned out differently, had the people that fought back had suitable weapons to neutralize the terrorists. They tried, but were without the necessary tools. They DID stop the plane from crashing into Washington. Had they been "peaceniks," and not "angry Americans," we would have had a greater tragedy, wouldn't we?
There's an argument for arming every American. Why don't Israeli Airlines get Hijacked? Armed air Marshals. Or don't you think police should have guns, either?

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

There's an argument for arming every American. Why don't Israeli Airlines get Hijacked? Armed air Marshals. Or don't you think police should have guns, either?

Back to junior high debate club time. I won't answer this because it is totally meaningless. The need or want for a police office to be armed in no way bolsters the idea that everyone walking down the street should be armed. That would just take us back to the wild west where the local sheriff and the local undertaker were the two busiest people in almost any town. Actually, I think parts of the US are already there.

[Hell Puppy]

You'll all be happy to know that those of us in Georgia with concealed weapons permits can now pack our heaters in restaurants that serve alcohol, on public transit and in state parks.

Pity the poor bastard that tries to rape me or gonzo while out hiking now.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

You'll all be happy to know that those of us in Georgia with concealed weapons permits can now pack our heaters in restaurants that serve alcohol, on public transit and in state parks.

Pity the poor bastard that tries to rape me or gonzo while out hiking now.

just hope like hell that the guy having the 4 martini lunch next to you isn't packing and pissed off about your table manners.

[Buckwheat]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Pity the poor bastard that tries to rape me or gonzo while out hiking now.

Most likely one of them goddamn snow Mexicans!

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Back to junior high debate club time. I won't answer this because it is totally meaningless. The need or want for a police office to be armed in no way bolsters the idea that everyone walking down the street should be armed. That would just take us back to the wild west where the local sheriff and the local undertaker were the two busiest people in almost any town. Actually, I think parts of the US are already there.

You watch too many movies, and too much TV. Automobiles are far more deadly weapons. And we give those out to 16 year olds.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

"investment" isn't a very good reason. I have no doubt that there are plenty of other things you could have invested in that would give a good return as well, without risking the safety of your family or neighbors.

After all, if investment was the reason to buy a gun, you would have them in a safety deposit box and not in the drawer next to your bed.

And in addition to his VERY valid reason, I said, "Because I want one." And when did I require a reason to exercise a right?
I'm sure everything YOU do is for a civilization saving "reason," eh?

This is exactly what you don't get. NO REASON IS NECESSARY.
It's a GUARANTEED right. You don't Have to answer to someone for it.
Now, you get back to asking "mother may I," to the queen, and your government.