Americans: You have te right to bear arms

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Just a dumb question, but where did the criminals get their guns? Do they melt down manhole covers and turn them into guns?

They get them the same place we do. They buy them. Then they CHOOSE to do wrong. We let them buy milk and eggs, too.

If you take away the guns, they WILL melt the manhole covers...probably into clubs, at first. Then they will CHOOSE to do wrong with them.
Without a hand to operate it, the gun is just as much of a killer as the manhole cover. Don't blame the tool.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Buckwheat

Hahahahahahah . . . . The “Snow Mexicans” are pussies! hahahahahahahah

I think you mean snow niggers, don't you?

[softball]

I hate to say it, but if you are the victim of a home invasion, your pea shooter will prolly get you killed. It might make you feel better to go down fighting, but you ain't gonna shoot down five or ten guys before they either cap you or take your piece and do you with your own weapon.
I lost my idealism years ago when pragmatism overwhelmed me. This decision is the last gasp of the Bush era to really finally fuck the United States. Legal guns lead to legal killing. Only the collective will of the people should kill people legally. Not a moron with a sixth grade education that "thinks" he is being threatened. Not that anyone here is that guy, but they are allowed to purchase deadly weapons.
And as for those that have an arsenal, have a nice day because there is not one fucking good argument for that shit. None.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I hate to say it, but if you are the victim of a home invasion, your pea shooter will prolly get you killed.

That's a bet I would take any day. And no one expects the OK Corral. It's hard to say how many home invasions, robberies, muggings, car jackings, etc are averted merely by having a cowardly thief scared off by a non-victim with a gun. Those do not make the news typically.

In my case, again, I would take that bet. Ya see, I was raised with guns from the time I was kid. I was taught to respect them and handle them safely. I was also taught to shoot them accurately, very accurately. In high school, every saturday morning was spent shooting. Yeah, I know that probably seems foreign to many, target shooting for fun and sport.

And this is why I wont jump in this particular debate more than once a year. It's cultural. Here in the deep south, most males are raised with guns. Hunting is a huge sport.

Redneck values are hard to understand sometimes if you haven't been raised with them or around them. Ya see, most anyone in my family if they knew you were hungry, down on your luck or whatever, they would feed you. If they only had $10 to their name, and they thought your family truly needed it, they'd give you $5 of it.

But, try to enter the house and take it by force or just without asking, and it's a different story. And whatever you do, dont endanger anyone in the family. Even the little old ladies in the family know how to use a shot gun.

I dont expect outsiders and non-gun cultures to get it. And it's just like religion, you'll never change anyone's mind.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Here in the deep south, most males are raised with guns. Hunting is a huge sport.

Hunting is also a huge sport in most areas of Canada. Americans are always up here for "real hunting", as they call it. And we do have some of the best hunting in North America. We have the largest moose, elk, caribou, and White Tail & Mule deer. There is also black bear and Grizzly, mountain goat, Big Horn Sheep, and even more. Most, larger and harder to hunt than in the US. Anyone born and raised in a rural community in Canada was brought up with rifles and shotguns, but very few see the point in owning a handgun. To them, it's just a paper weight you can't really do anything with.

This discussion isn't about guns in general, but about hand guns. To see the difference between the US and Canada, just look at the rates of violence with hand guns between the two countries. It's truly a night and day difference. The talk is about protection, but how often do people actually get to a gun during a home invasion? Odds are if you have a gun for protection, and try and use it, you will lose....and how good a shot you think you are on the range just doesn't factor in.

[sarettah]

Handguns are for hunting.....

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I hate to say it, but if you are the victim of a home invasion, your pea shooter will prolly get you killed. It might make you feel better to go down fighting, but you ain't gonna shoot down five or ten guys before they either cap you or take your piece and do you with your own weapon.
I lost my idealism years ago when pragmatism overwhelmed me. This decision is the last gasp of the Bush era to really finally fuck the United States. Legal guns lead to legal killing. Only the collective will of the people should kill people legally. Not a moron with a sixth grade education that "thinks" he is being threatened. Not that anyone here is that guy, but they are allowed to purchase deadly weapons.
And as for those that have an arsenal, have a nice day because there is not one fucking good argument for that shit. None.

Ummm, it wasn't a "Bush" decision. The decision was made 200+ years ago. It has been the law of the land since then. The only "decision" was a bad one, attempting to override the forefathers ideals, by a bleeding heart peacenik like you. The Supreme court, (NOT Bush, we don't have Kings and Queens here) just reaffirmed, and further clarified the constitutional right. In a likely, vain attempt to keep idiots from trying to limit the constitution.

Personally, I don't want to "kill" anyone. Not alone, and not as a part of a "collective will." Maybe you should re-examine your motives? You juts don't get it, and probably never will. We don't WANT to kill anyone. But we're not afraid to, if necessary.

[RawAlex]

..and how many "non-victims" end up dead or wounded because the home invader snatched the gun away from them and used it on them, or perhaps came armed themselves?

Stay on subject. Would a weapons ban make their guns magically disappear or return into the shape of a manhole cover?

Entirely on subject - your are arguing chicken, and I am saying egg. Unchecked gun ownership has caused the problem, so why would you think that even MORE unchecked gun ownership is going to fix the problem?

[Toby]

You can't put tooth paste back into the tube.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Toby

You can't put tooth paste back into the tube.

Nope, but you can stop squeezing.

[bluemoney]

Just a bit more fuel for the fire!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b18_1212548777

[ali25extreme]

I am in the market to purchase a weapon for protection I was thinking of getting a Ruger mark III .22 calibur. I am use to firing rifles; m14, m16, and other assault rifles, I have fired the glock 45 and it had a kick to it, but I was very accurate with it, just not a good feel for my size! Any suggestions?

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by ali25extreme

I am in the market to purchase a weapon for protection I was thinking of getting a Ruger mark III .22 calibur. I am use to firing rifles; m14, m16, and other assault rifles, I have fired the glock 45 and it had a kick to it, but I was very accurate with it, just not a good feel for my size! Any suggestions?

Taurus Model 22 .22LR Pistol in Nickel with Gold Accents and Pink Mother of Pearl Grips Special Edition

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/tamo222piinn1.html

It's "purddy too"

[Nymph]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

Taurus Model 22 .22LR Pistol in Nickel with Gold Accents and Pink Mother of Pearl Grips Special Edition

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/tamo222piinn1.html

It's "purddy too"

That reminds me of the time I went to the gun show in Dayton with my husband. A man comes up to us looks at me, and says here's a nice little gun for a little lady...it was a 22.

My husband had to escort me quickly away from him before I bitch slapped him.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Nymph

...My husband had to escort me quickly away from him before I bitch slapped him.

That's where things are bit different here in the South. We'd have just stepped out of the way, made sure we had your back, then watched as you ripped him a new asshole.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Nymph

That reminds me of the time I went to the gun show in Dayton with my husband. A man comes up to us looks at me, and says here's a nice little gun for a little lady...it was a 22.

My husband had to escort me quickly away from him before I bitch slapped him.

Wouldn't that be a good time to pull out your .22 and prove it is effective?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Wouldn't that be a good time to pull out your .22 and prove it is effective?

C'mon now, I know you don't really think most people in that situation would even consider that an option.

Besides, a good bitch-slapping is far more embarrassing making it much more likely that the life lesson will be remembered.

[Nymph]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Wouldn't that be a good time to pull out your .22 and prove it is effective?

I don't have a 22, my gun is a 357, and I don't pack it with me. You are generalizing about me just like that small minded little man did.

[ali25extreme]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

Taurus Model 22 .22LR Pistol in Nickel with Gold Accents and Pink Mother of Pearl Grips Special Edition

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/tamo222piinn1.html

It's "purddy too"

Too girly for me... Not my style...but thanks! I think that I just need to take a trip to the gun shop and look at them.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by ali25extreme

I am in the market to purchase a weapon for protection I was thinking of getting a Ruger mark III .22 calibur. I am use to firing rifles; m14, m16, and other assault rifles, I have fired the glock 45 and it had a kick to it, but I was very accurate with it, just not a good feel for my size! Any suggestions?

Is this for carry?

[ali25extreme]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Is this for carry?

yes it is for personal carry!

[Toby]

Tastes Great!




Less Filling

[DannyCox]

Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

............................ Homicide ... Suicide ... Other (inc Accident)

USA (2001) ............... 3.98 ........ 5.92 ..... 0.36
Italy (1997) .............. 0.81 ........ 1.1 ....... 0.07
Switzerland (1998) ..... 0.50 ........ 5.8 ....... 0.10
Canada (2002) ........... 0.4 ......... 2.0 ....... 0.04
Finland (2003) ........... 0.35 ........ 4.45 ...... 0.10
Australia (2001) ......... 0.24 ........ 1.34 ..... 0.10
France (2001) ........... 0.21 ......... 3.4 ...... 0.49
England/Wales (2002) . 0.15 ......... 0.2 ...... 0.03
Scotland (2002) ......... 0.06 ......... 0.2 ...... 0.02
Japan (2002) ............. 0.02 ......... 0.04 ..... 0

Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.


I just love how the statistcs show just how well gun ownership protects you from harm in the US! So keep on carrying as the odds that you will get shot are 10 times higher for you than for me

Darwin really was right!

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

............................ Homicide ... Suicide ... Other (inc Accident)

USA (2001) ............... 3.98 ........ 5.92 ..... 0.36
Italy (1997) .............. 0.81 ........ 1.1 ....... 0.07
Switzerland (1998) ..... 0.50 ........ 5.8 ....... 0.10
Canada (2002) ........... 0.4 ......... 2.0 ....... 0.04
Finland (2003) ........... 0.35 ........ 4.45 ...... 0.10
Australia (2001) ......... 0.24 ........ 1.34 ..... 0.10
France (2001) ........... 0.21 ......... 3.4 ...... 0.49
England/Wales (2002) . 0.15 ......... 0.2 ...... 0.03
Scotland (2002) ......... 0.06 ......... 0.2 ...... 0.02
Japan (2002) ............. 0.02 ......... 0.04 ..... 0

Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.


I just love how the statistcs show just how well gun ownership protects you from harm in the US! So keep on carrying as the odds that you will get shot are 10 times higher for you than for me

Darwin really was right!

See? So why are so worried about us and our guns?
We're advancing your agenda for you.

[RawAlex]

Gonzo, I think that .22s falls in that category of "threaten to kill". Visibly it is a gun, and for most people, all guns are deadly. It is something to pull out when you want to look way more deadly than you are. Possibly the next step up from a BB gun?

[sarettah]

.22's are the weapon of choice for assassination.

The bullet does a whole lot more damage bouncing around inside of someone then a larger more powerful bullet does by just going right through someone.

[softball]

Oh yeah.... and MAD? The jury is still out on that. It is currently still in effect, but if it does fail, and it just might, we won't have to worry about it. You really fire from the hip without a thought about reality, don't you emp. I guess that is why the whole world isn't jerking off in your cow milkers yet.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Oh yeah.... and MAD? The jury is still out on that. It is currently still in effect, but if it does fail, and it just might, we won't have to worry about it. You really fire from the hip without a thought about reality, don't you emp. I guess that is why the whole world isn't jerking off in your cow milkers yet.

You make the point Jackass. "Jury still out?" That means it is working.
And I'm pretty sure, after 50+ years, we can send the jury home.

But then, judging by Canada's Jury system, compared to ours, you may not understand what "Jury is still out," actually means to an American.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

You make the point Jackass. "Jury still out?" That means it is working.
And I'm pretty sure, after 50+ years, we can send the jury home.

But then, judging by Canada's Jury system, compared to ours, you may not understand what "Jury is still out," actually means to an American.

And why would I care about your interpretation of juries? The point is, you dodge every respone I post apart from the few you cherry pick. You know you are rhetorically out gunned...hush my mouth, did I say that. Emp, you are a free spirit in a white trash world. I have to admire you for your bluster and ignorance in the face of cold reality. I bet you still vote Republican because they kick ass around the world and sure do know how to run a country. And don't give me that Libertarian bull shit. It is the last line of defense of the rats deserting the Fascist ship. At least have the courage to admit you were wrong when you voted for Bush to go kick some Arab ass. LMFAO

[bluemoney]

I'm done reading this thread . . . let me know when the movie comes out

[softball]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

I'm done reading this thread . . . let me know when the movie comes out

You will read about it on CNN when Emp shoots himself in the foot loading his peashooter to defend his castle against Americans.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You will read about it on CNN when Emp shoots himself in the foot loading his peashooter to defend his castle against Americans.

Ya know, every time I think there is hope for you, and start replying to some inane comment you've made, I think "Ya know, I'm just talking to a jackass."

Even the very rare time when you say anything neutral never lasts. Ultimately, you head right over to idiot land.

I just have to stop paying attention to you.

Gonzo? Is there a way to turn off certain person's comments, as was referred to about GFY's board?
It's long past time to turn off rhetoric. I'd really like to do that if possible.
The rest of you can deal with him, he's just a waste of time.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Ya know, every time I think there is hope for you, and start replying to some inane comment you've made, I think "Ya know, I'm just talking to a jackass."

Even the very rare time when you say anything neutral never lasts. Ultimately, you head right over to idiot land.

I just have to stop paying attention to you.

Gonzo? Is there a way to turn off certain person's comments, as was referred to about GFY's board?
It's long past time to turn off rhetoric. I'd really like to do that if possible.
The rest of you can deal with him, he's just a waste of time.

You see, Emp, I think your posts are right wing, fascist crap. I could say the same thing about you. You are well over the deep end and guys like you carry weapons way more dangerous than that Saturday night special you pack in your cowboy boot. You have a vote. And look at the mess the world is in when you use it. I maybe vociferous, but you are dangerous. So, IMHO, your posts are whacko, flippo, and sometimes outrageous. I could put you on ignore. You could do the same. Be my guest. But your curiosity will get the better of you. It always does. Take responsiblilty for your life. Just don't read what I post. You don't need others to make that decision for you. Just Say No.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You see, Emp, I think your posts are right wing, fascist crap. I could say the same thing about you. You are well over the deep end and guys like you carry weapons way more dangerous than that Saturday night special you pack in your cowboy boot. You have a vote. And look at the mess the world is in when you use it. I maybe vociferous, but you are dangerous. So, IMHO, your posts are whacko, flippo, and sometimes outrageous. I could put you on ignore. You could do the same. Be my guest. But your curiosity will get the better of you. It always does. Take responsiblilty for your life. Just don't read what I post. You don't need others to make that decision for you. Just Say No.

I know what you think about my opinions. I just don't care. And that's right, I HAVE a vote. You don't. I think you are a frustrated Canadian. You WANT to be an American, but you know you can't, so you despise us. I've seen that attitude from up there, and I understand it's a stereotype.
Quite honestly, I never had anything to do with Canada before I was in the adult online biz. (Beyond the odd coin that would show up in my vending machines.)

I like Canada just fine, and most Canadians, just not you.
And no, my curiosity will NOT get the better of me. I would be quite content to never see another post of yours.

[RawAlex]

Unlimited democracy is in the end just as dangerous (and useless) as unlimited socialism.

The right to bear arms is the right to infringe on everyone else's security. But unlimited democracy brings unlimited selfishness, it seems.

[Gerco]

What's all the arguing about over this. I think is basically point of view dependent on your location. I grew up in rural North Dakota. Everyone out there has a gun. We used them for hunting, and protection. I highly doubt you could goto any farm out there was not armed. We took guns as seriously then as we do now and TRAINED people how to use them in hunter safety classes and hands on training. Going to school, I would have to guess that there where at least 50 if not a lot more guns of all types sitting in the parking lot at any given time. Hell, I had 3 in mine. My 20 gauge pump, a 10/22 ruger rifle, and a 12 gauge semi auto. Each gun had a purpose and was use regularly. I personally was never big on hand guns, since they didn't have any real use in hunting etc, but I do have many friends who use them at ranges and such for target practice. Don't be fooled by the guns aren't dangerous people are crap... even in the hands of someone trained to use them, they can still be deadly. I took a 22 in the leg while target shooting with friends (bounced off something) have no idea what really as we where shooting off the top of a wooden fence... Still have the perfect round scar. Could have been much worse though. Today, I stay away from guns for the most part. I still own 3, but they have not been out of their cases in over 20 years. (plus they are stored at my fathers some 1100 miles away). That said, I still plan on getting a new shotgun soon, since I'm moving out to country again and don't want to be out there without some sort of protection if I needed it. The last thing I want is for some fucking meth heads showing up at my front door in the middle of the night without having something to defend myself with. (Course the fact that I have 2 great danes and a coon/dane mix and 2 more Danes on the way, should in theory keep just about any unwelcome person at bay.) My Brindle male is 190 pound of pure muscle and very protective of his yard and I know a lot of people that talk big about guns that would think twice about having HIM go off...

[RawAlex]

Gergo, I don't think anyone is denying people the right to have rifles for hunting or similar. You pick it correctly, the issue wasn't that at all, rather the carrying of handguns into the inner city (in this case Washington) where the murder rate is just insane.

One of the biggest mistakes that responsible people make is assuming that everyone else is responsible. It just isn't the case, please consider the number of children that die at the hands of their parents each year for stupid things like leaving them in a hot car or not being bothered to properly take care of them. With the number of "meth heads", gang members, and just generally out of control or irresponsible people, it is amazing only that more people don't get killed with handguns every year.

You cannot (reliably) use a handgun for hunting anything except humans. They have little reason to exist, and controlling the flow of handguns while not limiting the generic (apparent) right to bear arms should be maintained. After all, if the government can limit things like automatic machine guns or similar, why is it such a big jump to limit handguns?

My thought is the governments should pass a law that says "you have the right to bear arms, but all handguns must be bright pink in color, and must have a loud beeper that goes off every 5 seconds so other people can spot your weapon more easily". Suddenly guns wouldn't be cool.

[Hell Puppy]

This is why I only do these threads once a year.

[softball]

Hey Emp. I have a suggestion. Why don't you do what most bald old men do....get a vette. You get more chicks (you remember them don't you?) than playing Dirty Harry and flashing your pea shooter.