Max Hardcore Trial Outtake - "You Look Better with Puke on Your Face"

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Originally Posted by Trixie

It's bothersome that they're not showing the entire dvd, since part of the test is to judge the work IN ITS ENTIRETY. Jurors will either get bored of it . . . or get turned on. I wonder how that (getting aroused) would impact the average conservative juror's final judgement? Would their own arousal bother them so much that they'd judge it MORE harshly or would they realize even "normal" people can get aroused by extreme roleplays without it being harmful?

I'm not betting any money on the outcome. His shit is definitely obscene, I just think it's retarded to have laws against it.

Tasty and I agree. Nothing illegal or offensive about obscene. However, where we part company is extreme violence. I wish I could believe that role playing is harmless, but where I live there is a gang war going on and I believe it is fueled by violent images and situations portrayed as "normal".
Around here, another crack shack murder, or targeted killing is daily news. Maybe I am just old and fucked, or maybe it is the wisdom of age, but I really do believe that life imitates art and we all have to keep that in mind in our business. It is our kids that will inherit what we have helped to create.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Tasty and I agree. Nothing illegal or offensive about obscene. However, where we part company is extreme violence. I wish I could believe that role playing is harmless, but where I live there is a gang war going on and I believe it is fueled by violent images and situations portrayed as "normal".
Around here, another crack shack murder, or targeted killing is daily news. Maybe I am just old and fucked, or maybe it is the wisdom of age, but I really do believe that life imitates art and we all have to keep that in mind in our business. It is our kids that will inherit what we have helped to create.

While I don't think obscenity & violent role plays, etc. should be illegal, I'm not saying I think they're *harmless* (and obviously as a feminist and a woman, I do consider extreme porn problematic, at the very least, while as a perv I concede that some of it gets me hot; for example, I'm turned off by stuff that looks painful in Max Hardcore films, but ummm . . . the taboo role plays, filthy talking, crying & gagging girls, etc. totally get me off). Great literature isn't harmless, either. True crime shows on television aren't harmless (and give plenty of sexually violent ideas and tips to would-be criminals as to make them every bit as appealing to a prurient interest as staged snuff porn, etc. -- "go to A&E to see more images of the dungeon where this violent sexual predator held girls as his sex slaves against their will for years! Get more interview footage online with this depraved lunatic!"). It's ludicrous to think that porn should be judged BY THE LEGAL SYSTEM more harshly simply because it's accompanied by graphic VISUAL sexual images. The point is that all of it needs to be protected as free speech. No one should be prosecuted for a thought crime or held responsible for how someone else responds to it. The best way to combat people getting inspired or improperly brainwashed by the bad shit is to have better education, media literacy, and teach people to, you know, have empathy and give a shit about other people. Basically to brainwash people to be smarter, nicer, etc.

There is shit on Oprah's book list that is just as violent, sexual and horrifying as Max Harcore and of course you can flip to those pages and jerk off to it to, if you want. I know because I've done it.

I do think there are serious consequences to having so much extreme porn out there, I just think there are better ways to deal with it than criminalizing its creation and distribution. There were plenty of people committing horrifying sex crimes and hating on women BEFORE extreme porn came along.