An observation on the current business...

[Greg B]

I agree with Gonzo. We've both been around for over a decade at this biz.

What I'm seeing is like in any industry there are the incompetent and the greedy who fuck up things. It's that simple.

You have people who've made tons of money in this biz only to piss it away on dope and gambling and other stupid shit instead of putting things away for a rainy day.

I never did this full time because it was so easy. Only last 18 months or so I got attacked by some assholes who if you know the story are no longer in the biz. Their shit failed and several more now owe me money from court losses. Yes you have people undermining other people but that's why you have lawyers so they can go after the fuckheads.

I had to do diagnostics and damage control over the past year and it was fun. Found some new affiliates that actually convert, new strategies, new allies. I whittled everything down to the basics and to the bone so that the final responsibility would just be me and my artwork. It's never ever failed. I can now sit back and just draw toons and do little maintenance. I'm literally only a wee bit away from retiring on this income on a default basis.

In the meantime I don't sit on my ass I still look for the next way to make more capital.

I've found so many people in this biz are full of more shit than a constipated elephant. You find out when it's time to pay. I don't even deal with people who can't back up what they say. I've spent a good six figures on legals in the past few years straightening out a few assholes in this biz and more are on the way although they don't know it til it's too late.

It was high time I started cleaning house anyway.

So for me, one's status in this biz is in direct reflection to one's willingness to take responsibility for oneself.

Bottom line, it's who you hang out with.

[catfightreport]

Ron Paul!

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by catfightreport

Ron Paul!

Um.. Good luck with that

[catfightreport]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Um.. Good luck with that

lol.

yea.

I had to throw it out there anyway. haha.

[deviant]

Given the fact that I have been personally "researching" tube sites for some time, I don't think they have what it takes to destroy paysites. Usually the content is pretty lame and scattered. Paysites on the other hand generally follow a specific theme or niche, once you find a paysite that you like, you don't have to weed through a mountain of crap to find the content you like and time is money.

Unfortunately, I'm no expert.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by deviant

Given the fact that I have been personally "researching" tube sites for some time, I don't think they have what it takes to destroy paysites. Usually the content is pretty lame and scattered. Paysites on the other hand generally follow a specific theme or niche, once you find a paysite that you like, you don't have to weed through a mountain of crap to find the content you like and time is money.

Unfortunately, I'm no expert.

Devvvvvvvvv hahahaha

This arguement has been going on for sometime.
First it was pop ups,free sites,circle jerks,TGPs,MGPs etc etc.
While I do agree that this industry as a whole gives away way too much I hardly think that tube sites as a whole are going to destroy pay sites.

Program owners need to invest just as much effort as they do on those tours to the actual content in the members area.

Relying on a consumer to retain just because he forgets is lame when Im certain that if you give them what they expect and continue to update that monthly- the rebills will come in.

Its easier for program owners to complain that tube sites are destroying their busines than to issue a DCMA against some of these sites.

[deviant]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Devvvvvvvvv hahahaha

Oh yeah, I'd better watch what I say, I forgot mama bear can see me here.

Originally Posted by gonzo

First it was pop ups,free sites,circle jerks,TGPs,MGPs etc etc.

That's why I think tube sites are just the latest phase and will end up being nothing more than marketing for sites with real content. The reason I believe this is perhaps a little crass but think about it. What is the average consumer of this product doing? What is his or her motivation for pursuing this content? Does he/she really want to spend 10minutes looking for a short clip, then have to stop and wait while hunting for something else to put things back in business? After a while of this, I would imagine the consumer would grow tired, find a clip that they like, its source, and sign up there. Again, I could be wrong, but I think tube sites will become the next marketing strategy for paysites.

People who aren't going to pay for content, aren't going to pay for content. If it's not tube sites, it's torrents and peer-to-peer networks.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by deviant

...I have been personally "researching" tube sites for some time, I don't think they have what it takes to destroy paysites. Usually the content is pretty lame and scattered...

I'll agree with that to only a small degree. Tube sites are not nearly as big a threat to niche specific paysites as they are to general hardcore paysites. The niche specific video content is somewhat limited and therefore pretty much gets lost among the general hardcore on most tube sites.