Another observation on current business...

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

After following the can spam shelleehale fiasco, it occurs to me that I used to post on this very forum about rampant spammers and how they cost us all money. This forum was driven by nick@ilynx and his partner who was one of the biggest "mailers" ever. I used to post how it was costing all of us very large, and was shit on for being a whiner. But I knew that these guys were thieves and lacked real talent. A lot of "old school" guys made a lot of money out of what we are discussing today. And they still talk fondly of those good old days, which I think were actually immoral and criminal, whether you escaped by the skin of your teeth or not. I always maintained that this had nothing to do with acumen...it was more akin to selling crack (any moron can do it), but I have to say that I was dumped on from a very high altitude for saying what is being posted on this board today. Y'all know who posted what (except for Rcourt who has no clue), but it is nice to know that what was so obvious, actually happened. Fortunately, as we know now, guys like the previous owners of this board are not doing so well ...and that is an understatement. There is something to be learned from genuine "old school" which is not just ten fucking years (yeah pat yourselves on the back)....but true wisdom...like the tortoise and the hare.

You were seriously dumped on by being anti-spam? Come on!

Ok I may be fairly new to the game (just five years) but I thought spam was just the province of those few who could get away with it.

Everywhere, programs and such, all admonish against email and/or spam marketting...

And it MUST work since I still get so much of it ... but really porn spam has virtually disappeared from my inbox; it's all mainstream stuff now...

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[2MuchMark]

Hi -

Does Spam REALLY work? The only people who I think have ever said that Spam works, is spammers themselves.

Is there anyone here who has spammed or has paid for spam, and got positive results back?

m

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Does Spam REALLY work? The only people who I think have ever said that Spam works, is spammers themselves.

Is there anyone here who has spammed or has paid for spam, and got positive results back?

m

I have never emailed but for the past 14-15 years I have been involved with direct-marketing databases and doing the snailmail version of spam (direct mail).

It does work.

Now our version of it is quite targetted so our response rates usually run between 10-20% which is much higher than you see in a non-targetted campaign.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Mediaguy

Ok I may be fairly new to the game (just five years) but I thought spam was just the province of those few who could get away with it.

Prior to CAN-SPAM, spamming was pretty much legal and many people made a lot of money off of it.

Since CAN-SPAM, there are still many who make some pretty good money emailing CAN-SPAM compliant emails.

[softball]

My argument was never about the legality, but just that it was very bad for the business of porn. The residual effect of all that crap is still being felt. I hate spam, spammers as much as I hate spam phone calls at dinner time. This shit makes everyone look bad and scared a lot of people off the net. Not just spam, but all the other dishonest, quasi legal, and crappy business practices. It all started with the fucking pop up. Which I, and most, hate to this day.

[2MuchMark]

Sorry, what I mean is, is there anyone here who sells a product (say, Porn), and uses Spam to promote it - are you making sales from that Spam?

And speaking of Spam, most of the spam that I get is not porn related at all, but mostly for fake watches and viagra.

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Sorry, what I mean is, is there anyone here who sells a product (say, Porn), and uses Spam to promote it - are you making sales from that Spam?

And speaking of Spam, most of the spam that I get is not porn related at all, but mostly for fake watches and viagra.

Would this be considered spam when it's received by one of your licencees users whom you have no right to be emaling or even if it is sent out to your own users, how do you comply with canadian spam laws?Hello! This is not spam. Someone from LiveCamNetwork.com has placed some funds in your e-wallet as a gift to you! From: to: Amount: $ has included the following message to you: -------------- These funds are in your account right now. You may use these funds to video-chat with any performer on LiveCamNetwork.com you like. To do so, simply go to http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com and log-in as usual, and you will see your new E-Wallet Balance. Thank you for choosing LiveCamNetwork.com! The 2Much Crewhttp://www.2Much.nethttp://www.LiveCamNetwork.comToll Free Technical Support: 1-866-662-6824

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Would this be considered spam when it's received by one of your licencees users whom you have no right to be emaling or even if it is sent out to your own users, how do you comply with canadian spam laws?Hello! This is not spam. Someone from LiveCamNetwork.com has placed some funds in your e-wallet as a gift to you! From: to: Amount: $ has included the following message to you: -------------- These funds are in your account right now. You may use these funds to video-chat with any performer on LiveCamNetwork.com you like. To do so, simply go to http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com and log-in as usual, and you will see your new E-Wallet Balance. Thank you for choosing LiveCamNetwork.com! The 2Much Crewhttp://www.2Much.nethttp://www.LiveCamNetwork.comToll Free Technical Support: 1-866-662-6824

Hello Shellee,

2Much has a strict anti-spam policy. We do not spam ourselves, nor do we allow our customers to spam.

The message you are referring to above is generated whenever a paying customer gives a gift of money to another user on LiveCamNetwork.com The message can only be sent to one person, at a cost equal to the value of the gift.

So for example, if I am a LiveCamNetwork user and I want to give you transfer $20.00 from my e-wallet account balance to you, I would enter your username into the system as the recepient. The $20.00 is debited from my account and then deposited into your account, along with any message I care to send with the gift ("Happy Birthday! Spend it on Kedra, she's awesome!" for example).

You would receive the notice by email, and see this new money in your e-wallet. You could then spend it with Kedra or any other chat model you cared to chat with.

No Spam, no request for credit card info. And never once, a single complaint. And just to prove it, this one little module generates almost $20,000 a year in additional revenue, so we know alot of people are using it. It is just a simple way for users on LiveCamNetwork to give gifts to other users.

Sorry to dissapoint you, and sorry to prove that you are once again, wrong.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Would this be considered spam when it's received by one of your licencees users whom you have no right to be emaling or even if it is sent out to your own users, how do you comply with canadian spam laws?Hello! This is not spam. Someone from LiveCamNetwork.com has placed some funds in your e-wallet as a gift to you! From: to: Amount: $ has included the following message to you: -------------- These funds are in your account right now. You may use these funds to video-chat with any performer on LiveCamNetwork.com you like. To do so, simply go to http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com and log-in as usual, and you will see your new E-Wallet Balance. Thank you for choosing LiveCamNetwork.com! The 2Much Crewhttp://www.2Much.nethttp://www.LiveCamNetwork.comToll Free Technical Support: 1-866-662-6824

Shellee, what are you the internet police? Personally, I think you are the type of person that would run to the IRS or the FBI snitch lines just to get "even" with your competition. You have to be about the lowest bottom feeder I have seen on boards. You imply threats. You spend hours poring over other's businesses looking for something to rant about and possibly report to authorities. I hate rats. You are your own little version of Homeland Security permanently on red alert. I have always despised people like you and your Republican tactics.
I have to disagree with Gonzo on this, but I would ban your ass and let you puke your poison on other boards. You are crossing all kinds of lines. This ain't business for you anymore, its some kind of twisted retribution.
In a sentence, "You make me sick".

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Shellee, what are you the internet police? Personally, I think you are the type of person that would run to the IRS or the FBI snitch lines just to get "even" with your competition. You have to be about the lowest bottom feeder I have seen on boards. You imply threats. You spend hours poring over other's businesses looking for something to rant about and possibly report to authorities. I hate rats. You are your own little version of Homeland Security permanently on red alert. I have always despised people like you and your Republican tactics.
I have to disagree with Gonzo on this, but I would ban your ass and let you puke your poison on other boards. You are crossing all kinds of lines. This ain't business for you anymore, its some kind of twisted retribution.
In a sentence, "You make me sick".

One of my customers received that email and so it went out as spam to pull my user to LCN and not as Mark so eloquently explained. Are you for Mark Prince spamming my users when I am paying a license fee, hosting fee, revshare and marketing and advertising cost to get those users? Is this what you think is ethical and that the victim should keep her mouth shut.

I have a pam email that went to an affiliate from LCNCash right after they signed up on sexyteaser as well; but Greg explained this was do to an error on ccbill's part and they corrected it.

How hypocritical are you to stand in support of a spammer when you say you can't stand spammers. Then, piss on me for speaking out against this unethical behavior I experienced while attempting to start my first adult project. Do you need more proof call any one of these program owners and see how well they did working with 2much.net with a nearly 85% failure rate I am not the only person out there that was taken by them.

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