TGP discussion

[softball]

so the higher the skim (traffic redirects i am assuming) the less successful the tgp is. That is interesting.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

so the higher the skim (traffic redirects i am assuming) the less successful the tgp is. That is interesting.

That's a huge over simplification, but if you equate the level of success to the volume of productive traffic, then you are essentially correct.

If you have enough productive traffic then you don't need to skim at all.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

so the higher the skim (traffic redirects i am assuming) the less successful the tgp is. That is interesting.

Not entirely. it isn't a straight drop off, for various reasons.

Example, if you are running a higher skim, but trading with sites that have lower skim and better traffic, you are often sending out worn traffic for less worn traffic, so your higher skim might in fact be improving your sales.

You can also have incredibly high skim rates (as high as 100%) providing you don't skim the first few clicks. Many TGPs using traffic systems such as chokers deal will allow the first couple of clicks to hit galleries, but every click after 4 goes to pay per click traffic. In many cases, you make more money that way than trying to sell them something.

Gonzo, I agree that the business model of tubes SHOULD be play a sample and upsell out of the sample to the real thing, but very few (if any) sites really do that. Most sites have player pages packed full of other programs, other clips, clickoffs, dating sites, and 101 other ways to turn a little bit of income to help pay for the process. I too am thinking that many of the current tube sites will disappear pretty rapidly, especially if their sales ratios drop too much lower. Considering that some people have been complaining that AFF sales are down (they are apparently buying a ton of traffic from somewhere and dilluting things pretty bad), it might be that many of these tube sites have already lost their true income.

The easiest sales proposition is free. The hardest one to make money from is free.

[2MuchMark]

<<=== Never relied on TGP's, never will.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

<<=== Never relied on TGP's, never will.

And I don't promote live cam sites, so we'll call it even.

[gonzo]

I still own several TGPs. I got disgusted with Comus and moved all of them over to Remote Thumbs and went into the set em and forget em mode.

Unfortunatly thats not the right way to use them but its all I have time for right now.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Toby

And I don't promote live cam sites, so we'll call it even.

I know.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Toby

And I don't promote live cam sites, so we'll call it even.

CHA-CHING !!!...

[Nymph]

I have a couple real tgp sites where I take subits from webmasters, and a couple that I only run sponsor galleries on. I do not do the circle jerk thing. I still get decent traffic, and sales.

Sometimes I think we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the surfer. If I'm getting jerked around from site to site, and never really getting what I wanted in the first place, I'm gonna move on and try to find some place that I can get what I want.

Call it old fashioned, old school, or just stupid, but that's the way I run my sites.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Nymph

I have a couple real tgp sites where I take subits from webmasters, and a couple that I only run sponsor galleries on. I do not do the circle jerk thing. I still get decent traffic, and sales.

Sometimes I think we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the surfer. If I'm getting jerked around from site to site, and never really getting what I wanted in the first place, I'm gonna move on and try to find some place that I can get what I want.

Call it old fashioned, old school, or just stupid, but that's the way I run my sites.

That makes sense to me, but I don't know much about tgp and traffic manipulation. But I still think its good for a business like mine where there are no blind links, heavy upsells, cj's or the like. I think it is good for retention, which, if you have a paysite, is everything.