Naked Rhino VS NATS

[will76]

Originally Posted by Toby

If you're going to be this nitpicky all the time, we're gonna continue to have issues. I'm not going to change how I post just to appease you, and I seriously doubt anyone else here will either.

Many of us are here are in our mid-40's or older and have been at this for quite some time. We're quite aware of what conclusions can and can't be made from posts on boards.

Apparently I am just a pup at 32 compared to you guys and I have only been around for 9 years but i am new here, so hell what do i know.

If me asking you a simple question is going to piss you off then i guess we are going to have issues then. You continuing to say " they haven't paid ANY of their affiliates" and then I ask well who hasn't been paid and you can't tell me who (minus 2 people pointed out by jace) = me being nit picky???

The particular post that I'd made back in November that you decided was out of line was a fairly general statement. The past history was already reasonably well known at the time. Your expectations for detailed supporting data for such comments are simply unreasonable, and I don't take kindly to having my integrity questioned. Gonzo seems comfortable enough with my integrity to make me a Mod here.

What posts back in Novmenber are you talking about. I am referring to all of the posts you MADE IN THIS THREAD. If this past history is so well know then for christ sakes go back to the all of those threads and copy paste all of these people saying they weren't paid. Or just link me to the threads. Since it was so " well know" I am sure you can find the thread and all the people in question to point them out to me.

LOL I am questioning your integrity? I asked you to simply name the people you were making reference to... if your only supporting facts to those statements are " it was generally known blah blah etc.." then I am not the one calling your integrity into question, i think you doing that yourself. I just asked if you could SIMPLY point out the people you were making reference to. How hard is that?

For the sake of making a point, let's turn this around 180 degrees. Prove me wrong. Post the name of just one XclusiveCash affiliate that has confirmed that they've been paid in full.

here is a novel idea, for the sake of making a point.... just answer my question. Who are all of these people who are so well known that weren't paid that no one can point me to thread or post their names or anything? It's the greatest well known secret in the world apparently.

nice try on the 180 thing, If i was the person saying everyone was paid then it would be more appropriate for me to back up my statements. However, since you said none of their affiliates were paid, I am just trying to find the truth of the matter. I don't know anyone that was paid or wasn't paid, hence why I am asking questions.


its funny how you guys make such a big deal out of this and then try to turn it back on me.

here is a quick recap... you say " they haven't paid any of their affiliates"

I notice this and say really, interesting, wow so who wasn't paid?

50 posts later i still don't know, but i am the asshole for asking " who " when people make allegations like that.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by will76

What posts back in Novmenber are you talking about. I am referring to all of the posts you MADE IN THIS THREAD.

Note the dates on the posts. This was an older thread that Gonzo bumped with a new post about the new litigation. My post in THIS THREAD that you originally commented about was made last November in response to Gonzo's original post regarding the apparent pending resolution of prior litigation between Naked Rhino and TMM over the CCBill rebill issue.

Originally Posted by will76

I just asked if you could SIMPLY point out the people you were making reference to. How hard is that?

Who are all of these people who are so well known that weren't paid that no one can point me to thread.

If you want to know so badly, go read the posts across all the WM boards back at the time this all hit the fan in Summer/Fall of 2006. That is the history I'm referring to. I'm not going to go back and dig up all those details every time this topic get brought up again just to appease those that can't recall or weren't keeping up at the time.

[gonzo]

I was going to attach the legal stuff last night.

I can see now it dont matter.

Discovery is going to be a MAJOR bitch for one if not both of these companies.

The issue has become so cloudy at this point...I just got to wait till this ends up in court and as public record.

I think the information could be industry shaking.

One thing is for sure. Someone was stealing.

[Jace]

will, unfortunately I am almost kind of bummed you decided to come here and start posting...I know gonzo loves the page views and all, but you are entirely too damn abrasive about every single fucking thing you chat about

think about it man, you are jumping my shit because I personally know at least 10 people that weren't paid by a program that scammed, yet because I won't break privacy with those people you are giving me shit?

maybe there are lawsuits pending? maybe what was told to me was in confidence? maybe, just maybe, I don't break confidence to appease some whiny jerk so he can get sig views?

I am already named in 2 lawsuits in this whole mess, I prefer not to make it 3 or 4 or 5

regardless, I am done talking about it for now......you are a broken record

[Jace]

I need to take that back

I am not bummed you decided to come here, sorry for that

I just think your personality is so abrasive sometimes about things, it makes for a hard discussion with you

[gonzo]

I like the truth.

I dont always agree with what Ive seen Will post and he certainly has his own style but you have to agree that he seems to care about this business.

There are so very few of us that do.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I like the truth.

I dont always agree with what Ive seen Will post and he certainly has his own style but you have to agree that he seems to care about this business.

There are so very few of us that do.

yeah, that is why I retracted what I said

will fights the good fight, I just wish he wasn't so abrasive with people that actually do care along side him.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Jace

I need to take that back

I am not bummed you decided to come here, sorry for that

I just think your personality is so abrasive sometimes about things, it makes for a hard discussion with you

You do seem to have that problem a lot. Perhaps you should seek help

[will76]

Originally Posted by Toby

Note the dates on the posts. This was an older thread that Gonzo bumped with a new post about the new litigation. My post in THIS THREAD that you originally commented about was made last November in response to Gonzo's original post regarding the apparent pending resolution of prior litigation between Naked Rhino and TMM over the CCBill rebill issue.

you got me there i am terrible with checking dates of posts i thought this was made recently BUT, you have said the same statements about 10 times since then so either way you feel the same way you did 5 months ago as you do now. I don't see the big deal if there is so many people that haven't been paid and it is so common knowledge that no one can point out who some of these people are.

If you want to know so badly, go read the posts across all the WM boards back at the time this all hit the fan in Summer/Fall of 2006. That is the history I'm referring to. I'm not going to go back and dig up all those details every time this topic get brought up again just to appease those that can't recall or weren't keeping up at the time.

It's not that i want to know so badly, i just thought anyone who would keep saying over and over that no one was paid etc.. would easily be able to show me why they think that way, those are strong allegations.... silly me for thinking that i guess.

So you are referring to posts that where made right when this happened orginally and NR lost their license to nats? At the time NR was locked out of nats and didn't have access to the stats to pay people. Um yeah I can see how people didn't get paid at that time. Have you seen posts (besided from the two people mentioend in this thread) that were made several months after all of this happened orginally. It seems logical to me that initially no one was paid, how could they be if NR was locked out of NATS admin. But is it possible that months later as they were able to figure it out and/or get access that they did pay people.

It sounds like you are making reference to all the initial posts, how many people did you hear saying several months later that they haven't been paid. Can you see where you would have this all wrong if it happened this way.

[Jace]

Here you go Will, you wants names of people owed money?

Bishop, Thomas Leech, Freeones, ShermShack, Mailman

those 5 are now on public record

[gonzo]

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showt...797#post809797

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Jace

Here you go Will, you wants names of people owed money?

Bishop, Thomas Leech, Freeones, ShermShack, Mailman

those 5 are now on public record

The question I think being that if they cannot access the NATS system to figure out the payments due, how would they pay them? Further, from what I can see in the items posted by Gonzo, it would appear that the LLC that was running the sites is essentially dead.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

The question I think being that if they cannot access the NATS system to figure out the payments due, how would they pay them? Further, from what I can see in the items posted by Gonzo, it would appear that the LLC that was running the sites is essentially dead.

Half a million dollars income in a year for that program.

Those pdfs are a rich source of entertainment.

A LOT of information on this business can be gleaned by casually reading them. And if I realize that... you just can imagine what the Feds could extrapolate from reading this information.