Let me get this straight about Cybernet..

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

As far as I know, JFK is paid by the company he works for to take pictures. But those pictures appear on Fubar and in their magazine, both of which are free. Just be sure not to get caught giving Gonzo a blowjob and I'm sure you'll be fine.

So this is a round about way of agreeing that profit is made. It took a few posts, but you finally get my point.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

So this is a round about way of agreeing that profit is made. It took a few posts, but you finally get my point.

I never said no one made any profit. I said they don't profit directly from a photo of me or you at a show. We might end up in a photo they use for promotion at some time and if I have to conceded that yes, the people behind Cybernet may make a profit from the show and by using a photo of me on the website next year they are profiting from me at my expense, then I concede. I seriously doubt anyone would decide to go to a show just because they saw a photo of me though.

Now, if you're going to get drunk and pass out in a toilet with your pants around your ankles or pass out at the Splash bar and end up with a bunch of idiots putting mustard on your bald head, you may want to have your attorney ad a clause to your special contract.

MustardBoy... er, I mean MediaGuy knows what I mean I'm sure.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I[snipped for BLAH BLAH BLAH] I seriously doubt anyone would decide to go to a show just because they saw a photo of me though.[/snip]

... see, that's where you're wrong, Hammer. I TOTALLY would, if it were up to me

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

... see, that's where you're wrong, Hammer. I TOTALLY would, if it were up to me

Uh oh, Liz, Gonzo might have a problem then because I never signed a contract to post here.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I never said no one made any profit. I said they don't profit directly from a photo of me or you at a show. We might end up in a photo they use for promotion at some time and if I have to conceded that yes, the people behind Cybernet may make a profit from the show and by using a photo of me on the website next year they are profiting from me at my expense, then I concede. I seriously doubt anyone would decide to go to a show just because they saw a photo of me though.

Now, if you're going to get drunk and pass out in a toilet with your pants around your ankles or pass out at the Splash bar and end up with a bunch of idiots putting mustard on your bald head, you may want to have your attorney ad a clause to your special contract.

MustardBoy... er, I mean MediaGuy knows what I mean I'm sure.

Media guy had more than his FAIR share of adverse publicity, but he has turned it around in his favour. Yes, I have shots of LC passed out in a toilet with pants around his ankles and the door open. It was removed even though he didnt care.

If you get drunk and cut up, you are fair game. That is why I have "removed by request" or if you really dont want to be in shots, just pull me aside and ask. I cant be bothered to force the issue. Takes longer for an argument than for me to take 10 more shots of people who want to be in them.

[softball]

Originally Posted by JFK

Media guy had more than his FAIR share of adverse publicity, but he has turned it around in his favour. Yes, I have shots of LC passed out in a toilet with pants around his ankles and the door open. It was removed even though he didnt care.

If you get drunk and cut up, you are fair game. That is why I have "removed by request" or if you really dont want to be in shots, just pull me aside and ask. I cant be bothered to force the issue. Takes longer for an argument than for me to take 10 more shots of people who want to be in them.

I am glad you have finally come to that conclusion.

[connor]

Hey guys -

Wasn't around yesterday, so I'm just catching up on threads and email and what not.

Rhetorical, I get some of the frustration you're expressing... but you make it sound like shows are going to shoot pictorial spreads of your models and then start a website or sell them to Playboy or something. That isn't the case. Shows use these pictures as explained to you before... so they can show people NEXT year what went on the previous years. That benefits the shows, sure, but it also benefits the people who attend the shows. It's a minor, minor thing.

If you DO bring a model with you to a show, you DO get benefit from pictures of your model at the show circulating in industry circles. I can't imagine the businessperson who would have an opportunity to get his or her model in front of thousands of industry eyeballs and NOT want this free publicity. In what way would that make sense? So even if you don't get a "link back," you ARE getting benefit. Probably more benefit than the show gets, to be honest.

And what are you going to do when a model steps into an area viewable by the public and someone snaps a picture and includes it in news shots? Nothing, that's what you'll do... unless you like giving your money away to attorneys who can't help you. Why doesn't THAT bother you? YNOT or AVN could snap pictures of you or your model as part of their coverage of the event and there isn't anything you can do about it. They don't even ask for a release cause they don't need one. And don't news sites profit from their content? Sure they do. So shows including this language is really just yet another way to make sure people understand what COULD happen if they choose to attend events.

I like being outraged as much as the next guy, but I just don't see the specific concerns you mentioned being very significant. Better to invest your outrage in something more important and substantial, imho.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by connor

Better to invest your outrage in something more important and substantial, imho.

Ah, you don't know Rhetorical too well I see.

You know I love ya Graham, just saying.

[TheEnforcer]

This is one of those sound and fury signifying nothing type posts/threads... :>))

SOP for shows and has been for all types be they adult or mainstream.

[LAJ]

I think the jig is up Connor... we now may need to rely solely on running the show responsibly and trying to earn our salary thru sponsorships and badge sales only