Do you want Gonzo to post your real name?

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by moetheman

You will find it in the LINK section of a TCP packet.

NOTE: I posted this on the previous page, but I don't think anyone saw it

I'm sorry, but I just went through a search and I can't find anywhere that says what you stated above. Everything I have read so far makes mention that a MAC Address is undiscoverable outside of a Network unless something is being used to actually broadcast it. I don't see anywhere that states a MAC Address is included in a TCP/IP/UDP packet. There is talk of MAC Layering in older network systems, like FDDI and Token Ring, but that is now all obsolete.

I'd love to know more about all this.

[gonzo]

Happy St Patricks day to yall.

Im getting in touch with my "roots".

[helix]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Happy St Patricks day to yall.

Im getting in touch with my "roots".

Thanks, and a happy one to you as well. I raise one in honor of our heritage. I even used a green theme on my new webcam blog tonight

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Happy St Patricks day to yall.

Im getting in touch with my "roots".

Happy (belated) St. Patrick's to you too Gonzo.

I was like partly raised by a great man of Irish descent on his Father's side, whose last name was Cooper.

I can't understand some of the people on this thread talking smack to ya' . . . from what I have seen, Irishmen can SCRAP

[2MuchMark]

Hello Everyone,

This will be my last post in this thread. I will say what I have to say, and anyone caring to read it, may. Anyone else who still cares to waste their time in this thread can do so, but without me.

As I said much earlier, I am not "soundslikebullshit", and as I already said, I did some asking around on my end but was told by that person that "it was not me". If you care, please review my earlier post on this.

Shellee Hale:
It is extremely unfortunate that you and I continue to snipe at each other like this. It's childish and embarrasing for the both of us. I am sorry that you did not appreciatie our product and the tremendous support everyone of my staff did to support you during the time you were our client. I wish you the best of luck for the future.

MoeTheMan:
You did not prove that TCP/IP data contains Mac Addresses and offered no links to any technology, networking sites, technical data, white papers etc, that prove your point whereas I offered up several.

Furthremore, you could have easily shown anyone here how to obtain your mac address, but you didn't. I offered a donation to ASACP or FSC if you could prove it, but you couldn't. When pushed into a corner, you resorted to name calling.

Moe, this thread is a great opportunity for you. Alot of people here would like to know how to do it if it was possible. If you know how its done, call up your favorite billing company and help them reduce credit card fraud to zero. Sell your solution to websites and they could use it to block any computer from accessing their site.

To everyone else, this thread has turned into a really ugly fight between several people and I am at least partialy responsible for its content. Trust me, it won't happen again. Shellee, Moe, anyone else. Snipe at me or 2Much all you want. We won't be sniping back.

Gonzo, I hope you enjoyed the rise in popularity for this site over the last few days. It won't happen at our expense ever again.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Gonzo, I hope you enjoyed the rise in popularity for this site over the last few days. It won't happen at our expense ever again.

Was a small blip. Ive had bigger traffic gains earlier in the year with no drama or pissing. And thats with 3 piss threads combined in one week.

No big gain really.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

MoeTheMan:
You did not prove that TCP/IP data contains Mac Addresses and offered no links to any technology, networking sites, technical data, white papers etc, that prove your point whereas I offered up several.

I don't need to "prove" information (and for free) that is accessible to anyone that wants it. What I made reference to is not AN OPINION (something you obviously did not comprehend) but a VERIFIABLE FACT (we ARE talking about technology. This is not black magic, or liberal arts)
I posted all the information anyone WITH A CLUE could ever need. If you want more information, you can find more the same way I did.
And you offered nothing. Your sidekick brought some facts to the table, yet as I previously mentioned, his assumptions were much too narrow.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Furthremore, you could have easily shown anyone here how to obtain your mac address, but you didn't.

That was not part of the original point I made. YOU made that up. Once again, my point was and is that your claims against having been caught posting under another account by Gonzo owing to it not being technologically possible were false.
I guess you are unable to accept that you are not in control of this discussion. You tried hard, but those tricks don't work with me, Sir.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I offered a donation to ASACP or FSC if you could prove it, but you couldn't. When pushed into a corner, you resorted to name calling.

Your "offer" was meaningless and besides the point. No one claimed what you state was claimed and subsequently requested proof of. It was obviously an attempt at drawing attention away from the fact that you were caught posting under another account.
Also, it is obvious that you are the one that started talking shit . . . and you know it.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Moe, this thread is a great opportunity for you. Alot of people here would like to know how to do it if it was possible. If you know how its done, call up your favorite billing company and help them reduce credit card fraud to zero. Sell your solution to websites and they could use it to block any computer from accessing their site.

I am PERFECTLY fine with what I am doing at this time, and am not interested in what you are referring to.

When it comes down to it, I can see that you do not understand the higher level issues in the particular scenario you have made reference to, namely, that billing companies, banks, and other financial institutions and service providers are obviously not TRULY interested (other than typical suit lip service) in solving the problems, if they were, we would not see the BS we see such as the recent major theft of data that was all over the news (and no, don't fucking ask me to post a link to it - it's all over the news). The technology and personnel are CERTAINLY available to prevent such incidents . . .

Now, posting the following link is giving you more respect than you deserve, and more than I should do, however, I will do it for the sake of anyone reading this thread who is TRULY interested in what I am talking about (as opposed to trying to leech information from others, or just talking out their ass in an attempt to cover up their misdeeds)
This is an Amazon link (and don't worry, it doesn't contain an affiliate code):

http://www.amazon.com/TCP-Guide-Comp...5909984&sr=8-1

This is one of the textbooks I have on the subject, and a pretty good one at that. Refer to page 280.

NOTICE: Anyone too cheap to buy the book, or too lazy to study it, or too dumb to understand it, or all three, who wants to get me to break it down for them EVEN MORE can:

GO FUCK THEMSELVES

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

NOTE: I posted this on the previous page, but I don't think anyone saw it

I'm sorry, but I just went through a search and I can't find anywhere that says what you stated above. Everything I have read so far makes mention that a MAC Address is undiscoverable outside of a Network unless something is being used to actually broadcast it. I don't see anywhere that states a MAC Address is included in a TCP/IP/UDP packet. There is talk of MAC Layering in older network systems, like FDDI and Token Ring, but that is now all obsolete.

I'd love to know more about all this.

Hi Danny,

I saw it... and you're right. MAC addresses are undiscoverable outside of a LAN unless something is being used to broadcast it.

Mark

[2MuchMark]

Here ye, here ye (oops sorry, only Shellee talks like that).

It is now 6:00, and Moeman has failed me. He has failed himself and everyone else here too.

I'm sorry, Moeman. It looks like you don't get that networking job after all. I hear McDonalds is hiring someone to clean the shitters at night, though.

What I may do is give the $100.00 to ASACP anyway, but under my own name, or Danny's, or hell, maybe even under Oprano's name.

Then again, there's a pub down the street with a fucking delicious pitcher of beer just waiting for me...

Ah well, we'll see.

Shellee: Cookies? Hmm.. better lay off them a little, if ya know what I mean.


Goodnight everyone! (And thanks for visiting Oprano.com)

I'm television'ss Mark "Nobody's bitch" Prince.
Add video chat to YOUR website! http://www.2Much.net
Send traffic to girls who convert! http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

WE LOVE YOU ALL!

[Sexyteaser]

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

Here ya go, Shellee:
http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/faqs.htm. Scroll down to the bottom and it says:

"Why cannot I get MAC address of remote computer?
If the computer is out of LAN and the computer is not windows platform and without install NetBIOS protocol in network property, you cannot get mac address of this computer remotely."

When digging to find out if it was possible to grab MAC addresses or not, I found this program and this site, and then saw this line.

If anyone wants to, try running that program and entering our IP Address:205.150.5.126. You will see that it does not work because our computers are outside of "Your" lan.

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

That's to find the MAC addresses of devices on your local network, and seems to be directed at network administrators who need to monitor larger networks and subnets.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Find MAC Address and Get MAC Address Tool

http://www.youngzsoft.net/cc-get-mac-address/

That's just for a LAN. I can get the same information by logging into my router. I still don't believe you can get a MAC address remotely. I may be wrong as I am nowhere near a Network guy, but from what I have read, that is just something used locally to a network.

[2MuchMark]

MooMan:
My mistake! The Free Software Foundation is interesting. However they don't bennifit me in the least. We pay for the licenses of the software that runs our servers already.

Anyway, you blew it. Goodbye, goodluck, happy searching for Mac addresses in your TCP layers.

Your Sniping Partner,

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

MooMan:
My mistake! The Free Software Foundation is interesting. However they don't bennifit me in the least. We pay for the licenses of the software that runs our servers already.

Anyway, you blew it. Goodbye, goodluck, happy searching for Mac addresses in your TCP layers.

Your Sniping Partner,

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Wow things are improving 3 girls online and no one in paid chat.... And your going to have a beer.... try recruiting.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Shelleehale

Wow things are improving 3 girls online and no one in paid chat.... And your going to have a beer.... try recruiting.

Hi Shellee,

Things are quite well, thanks. I'm sure you know what this is:


Actually, we'll go have dinner with Michel (but we promise not to talk about you). The studios are running just fine. Now just run along and go play, or even better, hang out at LiveCamNetwork.com and see how this business works.

MUAH!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

[Sexyteaser]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Shellee,

Things are quite well, thanks. I'm sure you know what this is:


Actually, we'll go have dinner with Michel (but we promise not to talk about you). The studios are running just fine. Now just run along and go play, or even better, hang out at LiveCamNetwork.com and see how this business works.

MUAH!

Mark Prince
http://www.2Much.net
http://www.LiveCamNetwork.com

Hey Couchsitter - does that look familiar isn't it one of those 2much.net accounting statements with the funny math - you know where 2+2 = 10 and we have to wait a week for Sue to fix it?

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

MooMan:
My mistake! The Free Software Foundation is interesting. However they don't bennifit me in the least. We pay for the licenses of the software that runs our servers already.

Anyway, you blew it. Goodbye, goodluck, happy searching for Mac addresses in your TCP layers.

Your Sniping Partner,

Good luck trying to drink your problems away.

I have news for you: you've seen nothing yet.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Here ye, here ye (oops sorry, only Shellee talks like that).

It is now 6:00, and Moeman has failed me. He has failed himself and everyone else here too.

I'm sorry, Moeman. It looks like you don't get that networking job after all. I hear McDonalds is hiring someone to clean the shitters at night, though.

What I may do is give the $100.00 to ASACP anyway, but under my own name, or Danny's, or hell, maybe even under Oprano's name.

Then again, there's a pub down the street with a fucking delicious pitcher of beer just waiting for me...

Ah well, we'll see.

Shellee: Cookies? Hmm.. better lay off them a little, if ya know what I mean.


Goodnight everyone! (And thanks for visiting Oprano.com)

I'm television'ss Mark "Nobody's bitch" Prince.
WE LOVE YOU ALL!

Nice try. You have been proven to be an idiot.

The slew of hypothetical scenarios you brought into the discussion to muddle up the initial point are meaningless.

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Hi Danny,

I saw it... and you're right. MAC addresses are undiscoverable outside of a LAN unless something is being used to broadcast it.

Mark

Hahaha

If you had paid the FSF, I would have given you a breakdown, but since you are such a cheap little ignorant fuck, I will give you a bigger freebie:

A PACKET SNIFFER CAN BE USED TO OBTAIN THE MAC ADDRESS FROM A TCP PACKET. IT WILL BE ON THE SECOND LINE TITLED "LINK" (WHICH GIVES YOU INFORMATION ABOUT LAYER 2) WHICH INCLUDES THE MAC ADDRESSES OF THE SENDING AND RECEIVING COMPUTER.

I know that you don't know what a packet sniffer is, and you are obviously confused about what can be done with it, or what is or isn't done with it, and you see it from a 14 year old point of view, and "challenge" others to do "cool" and "wow" stuff with it. Matter of fact is, by using a packet sniffer in certain ways, along with other software, you can obtain this information. The rest of your attempts at deflecting the focus from you being caught by Gonzo posting under another account are just that, pathetic attempts to wiggle out of being caught. Examples of that are "challenging" me to "get" your MAC address.

Anyone can see right through you.

How pathetic, attempting to turn this into some kind of "pride" and "authority" charade, where I am supposed to "impress" you and your sidekick, when in fact, quantifiable information is being discussed.

Now, I just told you how to get that info from a TCP packet, do I need to break it down for you even MORE?

If so, I won't do it . . . your games are ridiculous.

Now, try to refute that the MAC address can be obtained from a TCP packet using a packet sniffer.

Do it. Make more of an ass out of yourself.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by moetheman

Hahaha


I know that you don't know what a packet sniffer is,

Wow, you sure owned me. You're right about everything.

ATTENTION, EVERYONE: IF YOU NEED AN EXPERT NETWORKING / SECURITY GURU, PLEASE CONTACT MOETHEMAN!! HE REALLY KNOWS HIS STUFF!

[moetheman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Wow, you sure owned me. You're right about everything.

ATTENTION, EVERYONE: IF YOU NEED AN EXPERT NETWORKING / SECURITY GURU, PLEASE CONTACT MOETHEMAN!! HE REALLY KNOWS HIS STUFF!

Hahaha

As I previously stated, I am not even into networking that much . . .

I am a Junior Ruby/Python programmer.

But, WHATEVER homes, I joined the slugfest in order to refute your claim that Gonzo did not catch you posting under another account because it was technologically impossible.

I have illustrated, albeit at a high level, that you were either lying, or did not know it could be done. It turns out you really did not know that. I had thought that you were just being an ass.

Either way, my point was that. And just that.