How will the recession effect our industry?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by KevinG

Wow. Great thread.

In general, I agree with Forest that this business is recession resistant. My business is rolling along. All of these areas are either up or steady for me, and nothing is down:

B2B side: Web Development, SEO & Consulting, Traffic development - all doing good.

B2C side: Burning Angel, Joanna Angel, Cigar Glamour - all sites have subscriptions up.

Tobacco (since it was mentioned) - Referral sales for Cigar Review are up. Keep in mind too that premium handmade cigars are more of a luxury product than an addiction, like cigarettes.

The only thing that I have heard is down a little is advertising spending on the B2B side in the adult online business, but that was just from one person.

Board business is hard work. Posting bullshit and fake drama has run its course. AP knows who to call when they want the straight scoop.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Board business is hard work. Posting bullshit and fake drama has run its course. AP knows who to call when they want the straight scoop.

Drama has run its course I agree. Tube sites are as scarey as tgp's were in the day. It still all depends on your USP as it did then, as it does now, and as it always shall.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Drama has run its course I agree. Tube sites are as scarey as tgp's were in the day. It still all depends on your USP as it did then, as it does now, and as it always shall.

tubes and tgps are two completely different things. 15 pics in gallery against 30 min movies, not even in the same ball park.

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

tubes and tgps are two completely different things. 15 pics in gallery against 30 min movies, not even in the same ball park.

I have no idea how long you have been in this biz, but a gallery of 15 to 30 pics in 2001 was very formidable. Combine that with "The Hun" and you were up against some stiff competition. So I have to disagree.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I have no idea how long you have been in this biz, but a gallery of 15 to 30 pics in 2001 was very formidable. Combine that with "The Hun" and you were up against some stiff competition. So I have to disagree.

since 2000 and you cant compare it to full scenes. 15 pics is not a full gallery.

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

since 2000 and you cant compare it to full scenes. 15 pics is not a full gallery.

You may be right but it is what we have to deal with and it is the same now as it was then. Back then I could get way more than 15 free pics with minimal effort. I stand by what I said earlier.

[Hammer]

I agree with Tony404. TGPs never really were that much of a problem IMO, because we just started focusing on pushing the video aspect of the sites and since most surfers would rather jerk off to a video than to some pics, we could show them plenty of free pics and still make the sale if the pay site was video heavy.

The problem with Tube sites is now the only reason someone would have to join a video based site is because the quality is higher and that's a harder sell, IMO.

The only thing a surfer really needs to pay for now is webcams and fortunately the cam companies are smart and have actually begun limiting the time a surfer can chat for free rather than increasing it.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by tony404

tubes and tgps are two completely different things. 15 pics in gallery against 30 min movies, not even in the same ball park.

Where are you seeing 30 minute movies?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Where are you seeing 30 minute movies?

He might be wearing Paul Markhams glasses.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by gonzo

He might be wearing Paul Markhams glasses.

lets see a 20min one http://www.redtube.com/7049
23 min http://www.redtube.com/1636
22min http://www.redtube.com/1632
26 min http://www.redtube.com/6929
36 min http://www.redtube.com/6863
25 min http://www.redtube.com/8086

Look forward to your apology

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

lets see a 20min one http://www.redtube.com/7049
23 min http://www.redtube.com/1636
22min http://www.redtube.com/1632
26 min http://www.redtube.com/6929
36 min http://www.redtube.com/6863
25 min http://www.redtube.com/8086

Look forward to your apology

Ah yes! I there are plenty of sites like this out there.
What to do?

Lets see here first off is that stolen content?
If so whos? And better yet do they give a shit???

Then look all over that page. The ad network is a good place to ask their policy on sites with stolen content. BUT have to figure out is that actually stolen content?

[Querying whois.internic.net][whois.internic.net]Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registeredwith many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.netfor detailed information. Domain Name: REDTUBE.COM Registrar: ENOM, INC. Whois Server: whois.enom.com Referral URL: http://www.enom.com Name Server: NS1.CHOOPA.COM Name Server: NS2.CHOOPA.COM Status: ok Updated Date: 10-dec-2007 Creation Date: 07-jan-2006 Expiration Date: 07-jan-2009NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date theregistrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry iscurrently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expirationdate of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoringregistrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database toview the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration. If you are the content owner then you need to complain to the hosting company which is choopa.comOnly problem I see here is determining if this is stolen content and if the owners give a shit.They have to file a DMCA.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Where are you seeing 30 minute movies?

I have found a number of tube sites with movies ranging from 4 to 15 minutes. Considering that most guys, given material they like can pretty much spank one out in about 10 minutes means that these sites are very poisonous to the business goal of free porn: Selling pay porn.

The very basics of the business is get their dicks hard and don't let them get off until you get their money. Tube sites don't respect that, instead making their living off of selling ad spaces, dating memberships, poker, and PPC spaces. They for the most part don't sell porn - they sell everything else but.