How will the recession effect our industry?

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

While I have little experience with today's online subscription model (Only from 1997-2000,) I have extensive, and authoritative experience with video rentals from 1985-1994. And that is my experience with "hard times." (which were MUCH worse, than anyhting we've seen today.
The closest comparison today is video rentals-subscription sites. However, if you throw in the dynamic of the "free You Tube" sex, I can see how it would be affected.

All it tells me is the subscription site model is in danger of serious failure.
Just like Buggy whip manufacturing, when cars came along.
I would think the personal "web girl" sites would be effected very little.

There is a huge difference between then and now. Back then, there was no war draining the US budget. Back then, there was no fear of terrorism. Back then, there was still hope. Now it is a whole new ball game. But like I said, it will change. It always does.
However, you have been pounding your buggy whip drum for years and it still has not happened. The subscription model has been around for a century or more, so I see no reason to believe that it will die like typewriters or dial phones.
It is a fundamental business model that works for everything from mobile phones to cable providers to leasing a car. So why you think the sky is falling on this particular model is beyond me. Some may have to rethink how they deliver and/or present it, but the concept is intact.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

There is a huge difference between then and now. Back then, there was no war draining the US budget. Back then, there was no fear of terrorism. Back then, there was still hope. Now it is a whole new ball game. But like I said, it will change. It always does.
However, you have been pounding your buggy whip drum for years and it still has not happened. The subscription model has been around for a century or more, so I see no reason to believe that it will die like typewriters or dial phones.
It is a fundamental business model that works for everything from mobile phones to cable providers to leasing a car. So why you think the sky is falling on this particular model is beyond me. Some may have to rethink how they deliver and/or present it, but the concept is intact.

As usual, you try to be condescending in your reply. But since you aren't being completely boorish, I will answer your response.
War draining Budget? Irrelevant to the man on the street. It really hasn't influenced the average guy, and despite what you think you see in the media, the regular people just don't care. The only place it touches them is in the higher cost of gas, which is actually a boon for the online industry, if anything.
The man on the street also doesn't "fear" terrorism. I live within the "kill radius" of Three mile island, as well as peach bottom nuclear power plant, and haven't heard anyone mention it in reference to "terrorism."

In fact, the biggest scandal there (peach bottom) was the firing of the entire security company because of their sleeping on duty. That's "how worried" they are about terrorism.

And if you bothered to read the entire thread, you would have noted I wasn't the one saying the subscription model was "failing." But I do think there is a tidal wave coming, beyond all the free x tube sites.
Once the movie boys dump their old content, there will be a flood of cheap 'n ' ez content around. And will all be "new" to this generation.

I'm not worried, as my business model has nothing to do with the subscription model. We'll get by.

[softball]

irrelevant to the man on the street.

Not for long. What you fail to realize is that the price of gas is just the obvious manifestation of this oil crisis. Plastic has increased by a huge amount. A garbage can that cost twenty bucks now costs thirty and that filters through every walk of life, including, I am sure your business. I only mention you because you have been pounding this drum for years and nothing has changed. Your prescience has been abysmal in your analysis of this particular issue. The sky has been falling in Peach Bottom (wherever that is) for years. Not around here. My real income has fallen fifty percent in three years, yet my monthly income is still growing. But that is beyond my control and has been hammered by the falling dollar. However, I still live a very good life and travel three or four months a year and can still afford the insurance on my old sports car and live in an amazing place that I never dreamed I would be able to afford. So I say this only to make the point that I think you are wrong in your assessment of the future. However, I don't dismiss your acumen, because God knows you could be right and my bets are hedged in bricks and mortar.

[softball]

and btw, you should be worried as anyone in retail with any sense is. You can't swim against the market when you have a non essential item aimed at the masses. You ain't selling Lambos.

[KevinG]

Wow. Great thread.

In general, I agree with Forest that this business is recession resistant. My business is rolling along. All of these areas are either up or steady for me, and nothing is down:

B2B side: Web Development, SEO & Consulting, Traffic development - all doing good.

B2C side: Burning Angel, Joanna Angel, Cigar Glamour - all sites have subscriptions up.

Tobacco (since it was mentioned) - Referral sales for Cigar Review are up. Keep in mind too that premium handmade cigars are more of a luxury product than an addiction, like cigarettes.

The only thing that I have heard is down a little is advertising spending on the B2B side in the adult online business, but that was just from one person.

[boobman]

I think its not recession proof but recesion resistant. And porn IS a commodity no doubht bout it.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by KevinG

Wow. Great thread.

In general, I agree with Forest that this business is recession resistant. My business is rolling along. All of these areas are either up or steady for me, and nothing is down:

B2B side: Web Development, SEO & Consulting, Traffic development - all doing good.

B2C side: Burning Angel, Joanna Angel, Cigar Glamour - all sites have subscriptions up.

Tobacco (since it was mentioned) - Referral sales for Cigar Review are up. Keep in mind too that premium handmade cigars are more of a luxury product than an addiction, like cigarettes.

The only thing that I have heard is down a little is advertising spending on the B2B side in the adult online business, but that was just from one person.

Board business is hard work. Posting bullshit and fake drama has run its course. AP knows who to call when they want the straight scoop.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Board business is hard work. Posting bullshit and fake drama has run its course. AP knows who to call when they want the straight scoop.

Drama has run its course I agree. Tube sites are as scarey as tgp's were in the day. It still all depends on your USP as it did then, as it does now, and as it always shall.

[gonzo]

picposts tgps tube sites free porn. waaah wahhh. everyone has been complaining about it for years yet how many new programs/sites do you see popping up daily?
and before you start hanging it all off on pornotube tell me the last time you've been over there and actually looked at that site?

get back to me after you have.
work smarter not harder.
ree shit is here to stay. you can make a meal out of free samples at costco yet how many people do you see leaving there with buggys full of shit?

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by gonzo

picposts tgps tube sites free porn. waaah wahhh. everyone has been complaining about it for years yet how many new programs/sites do you see popping up daily?
and before you start hanging it all off on pornotube tell me the last time you've been over there and actually looked at that site?

get back to me after you have.
work smarter not harder.
ree shit is here to stay. you can make a meal out of free samples at costco yet how many people do you see leaving there with buggys full of shit?

"Fuckin A"

[Hammer]

Guys will cut back on tobacco and alcohol before they cut back on porn.

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Guys will cut back on tobacco and alcohol before they cut back on porn.

That works for me.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by gonzo

picposts tgps tube sites free porn. waaah wahhh. everyone has been complaining about it for years yet how many new programs/sites do you see popping up daily?
and before you start hanging it all off on pornotube tell me the last time you've been over there and actually looked at that site?

get back to me after you have.
work smarter not harder.
ree shit is here to stay. you can make a meal out of free samples at costco yet how many people do you see leaving there with buggys full of shit?

Says the man who doesnt depend on site memberships to pay his mortgage. lol

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

Says the man who doesnt depend on site memberships to pay his mortgage. lol

You are partially incorrect about that.
I am an affiliate for several sites that I rely on that make that mortgage payment for me monthly.

And Im pretty sure there I have a few membership sites out there still running with more to come.

The core of this debate is irresponsibile posting of copyrighted material on websites by individuals that do not own it.

Make no mistake Tony. Its THEFT in my book.

If your content is on any site unauthorized I encourage you to file a DMCA complaint to the host. If you need any help doing that I will be happy to walk you thru and I think that there is a form letter we have around here as well as one Alex has posted.

Let me be clear on this Tony... ANY site that has your content is THEFT and you should persue this with great vigor.

Those sites that you posted with 20 minute clips are STEALING if they do not have rights to that content.

This isnt the first time weve seen this done either. I think we saw many cool kids run a membership site from STOLEN CDs. Do a search on the Zoo and see how many of them have bragged about having a CD RIP site in the past.

If you think that I am not sympathetic about this kind of theft in the industry you are wrong and for that I apologize.

No different than Jace's rave buddies bragging about downloading FREE porn instead of paying for it.

This industry has created its own problem. The old way of...free sites are tease and pay sites are to please isnt how I see many webmasters promoting on free sites.

The paysites are the same. I remember Mike AI's old Purecash sites that didnt even show you a bare nipple until you paid.

Now you have morons that give away the full meal on the tour.
I dont know that it will ever end. Quite honestly after spending 10 days with many despirate people looking for a clue makes me think all of this will only get worse.

Remember this is a business that tolerates THEFT to its employees by labeling it with a cute term - shaving.

Make no mistake its THEFT.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by gonzo

You are partially incorrect about that.
I am an affiliate for several sites that I rely on that make that mortgage payment for me monthly.

And Im pretty sure there I have a few membership sites out there still running with more to come.

The core of this debate is irresponsibile posting of copyrighted material on websites by individuals that do not own it.

Make no mistake Tony. Its THEFT in my book.

If your content is on any site unauthorized I encourage you to file a DMCA complaint to the host. If you need any help doing that I will be happy to walk you thru and I think that there is a form letter we have around here as well as one Alex has posted.

Let me be clear on this Tony... ANY site that has your content is THEFT and you should persue this with great vigor.

Those sites that you posted with 20 minute clips are STEALING if they do not have rights to that content.

This isnt the first time weve seen this done either. I think we saw many cool kids run a membership site from STOLEN CDs. Do a search on the Zoo and see how many of them have bragged about having a CD RIP site in the past.

If you think that I am not sympathetic about this kind of theft in the industry you are wrong and for that I apologize.

No different than Jace's rave buddies bragging about downloading FREE porn instead of paying for it.

This industry has created its own problem. The old way of...free sites are tease and pay sites are to please isnt how I see many webmasters promoting on free sites.

The paysites are the same. I remember Mike AI's old Purecash sites that didnt even show you a bare nipple until you paid.

Now you have morons that give away the full meal on the tour.
I dont know that it will ever end. Quite honestly after spending 10 days with many despirate people looking for a clue makes me think all of this will only get worse.

Remember this is a business that tolerates THEFT to its employees by labeling it with a cute term - shaving.

Make no mistake its THEFT.

good points and im sorry i judged you.

[gonzo]

I think your both right. the subscription market is just in need of repair. we are a business that relies on 15 minutes of entertainment and the bulk of the income relies on people forgetting or being too lazy.