Cybernet Expo 2008 San Francisco Launches

[DannyCox]

I think we'll make this one. SF is a great city that I haven't been to in close to 20 years. Carol has never been and I know she'd love it.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

I think we'll make this one. SF is a great city that I haven't been to in close to 20 years. Carol has never been and I know she'd love it.

Danny maybe you can help me convince jay to have an amateur roundtable session?

[DannyCox]

I'm not sure how well that would work these days. We used to put on Amateur Seminars, first on our own, and then working with Homegrown. Farrell and I used to head up the roundtable and get discussions going, which were quite good.

The first one we did was here in Montreal in 1999 at the CybernetExpo show, and we had the "who's who" of the Amateur world at that one, plus all sorts of very new Amateurs. We then did them every year until the last one at Internext in the summer of 2003. The last couple had dwindling attendance as that was the start of the end for many Amateurs in the industry.

These days, very few Amateurs are making any money and as you know, very few actually make it to the shows. There are probably less than 10 Amateurs that make over $100K a year these days (and that's probably stretching), as most make what we call "beer money".

But, we would be willing to help out in any way to do something for the Amateur market. After all, that has been my bread and butter for the past 13 years

-- Danny

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

I'm not sure how well that would work these days. We used to put on Amateur Seminars, first on our own, and then working with Homegrown. Farrell and I used to head up the roundtable and get discussions going, which were quite good.

The first one we did was here in Montreal in 1999 at the CybernetExpo show, and we had the "who's who" of the Amateur world at that one, plus all sorts of very new Amateurs. We then did them every year until the last one at Internext in the summer of 2003. The last couple had dwindling attendance as that was the start of the end for many Amateurs in the industry.

These days, very few Amateurs are making any money and as you know, very few actually make it to the shows. There are probably less than 10 Amateurs that make over $100K a year these days (and that's probably stretching), as most make what we call "beer money".

But, we would be willing to help out in any way to do something for the Amateur market. After all, that has been my bread and butter for the past 13 years

-- Danny

I quietly attended those Danny.
They were indeed quite good and I think greatly beneficial.

Let me do some stirring and see what I can come up with.

[LAJ]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Danny maybe you can help me convince jay to have an amateur roundtable session?

I will definitely consider something like this... but I have tried it in the past and it was one of the least attended seminars unfortunately.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by LAJ

I will definitely consider something like this... but I have tried it in the past and it was one of the least attended seminars unfortunately.

That's the main reason we stopped doing them, the attendance just dwindled. The last one we did was more of a small get-together than a seminar.

[pornlaw]

Count me in. I might sponsor. It depends. But it is my birthday weekend so its going to be a whole lot of debauchery!!

Michael

http://www.adultbizlaw.com

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Count me in. I might sponsor. It depends. But it is my birthday weekend so its going to be a whole lot of debauchery!!

Michael

http://www.adultbizlaw.com

ANotehr reason why you fit in so well here!

[LAJ]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Count me in. I might sponsor. It depends. But it is my birthday weekend so its going to be a whole lot of debauchery!!

Michael

http://www.adultbizlaw.com

Let's talk tomorrow Michael!

[pornlaw]

Hey LAJ

Tomorrow is bad. I gotta wrap a bunch of stuff up before I leave for Vegas on Tues. AM.

Are you going to AEE or just Internext ?

Either way lets meet up in Vegas. Come by the booth (#8088) if you're at AEE. If Im not there, tell my staff to call me and I will come back to the booth.

If just Internext then let's setup a lunch to talk.

Michael

http://www.adultbizlaw.com

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by LAJ

I will definitely consider something like this... but I have tried it in the past and it was one of the least attended seminars unfortunately.

Yeah, you cant very well do much with an amateur seminar if you do not have a decent number of amateurs attending. And it has to be REAL amateurs, otherwise you might as well repackage it as a solo girls seminar or something else. The techniques that apply to producing and promoting a REAL amateur versus a "corporate" amateur are different.

For various reasons we've discussed here in threads before the amateur segment of the industry has greatly reduced the number of shows they go to. I think to get them back you'd have to do a lot more than a seminar. My hunch is a show designed just around them would work, something that could combine as a good working vacation where there's a lot of fun, and a lot of opportunity to shoot with other girls, etc. Maybe a cruise or hedonism type getaway that is friendly to the "lifestyle".

Now one spin that might be an interesting topic would be the difference between amateur, corporate amateur, solo girl and how best to promote each.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

...Maybe a cruise or hedonism type getaway that is friendly to the "lifestyle"...

There's a perfect illustration of something else that has/is changing within the independent amateur ranks. While many of them are still swingers, an ever growing number of them are NOT.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Toby

There's a perfect illustration of something else that has/is changing within the independent amateur ranks. While many of them are still swingers, an ever growing number of them are NOT.

True enough.

In fact all of the ones I personally know well actually are NOT. However, most all ARE exhibitionists and would love the opportunity to strip off butt nekkid in scenic and public places for some photo sets.

Again an adults only cruise or closed resort would be friendly to both.

I dont see either happening though because there's no real organization to that community and not a lot in it for sponsors. No real incentive for anyone to organize it.

[Bob_Rice]

Y Not?