Amateur Seeking Advice after Almost 1 Year of Experimentation

[MRock]

Had a few more thoughts from this thread...

I am using a php script to sell zip files of music CDs. I use PayPal for processing. This same method can be used for clips, but who will process the money? Obviously someone will, C4S found one. I wonder if stormpay could be configured to work with the script? Or if they would allow it?

I know everyone hates DRM, but really, it is the simple solution for the individual clip sale that has been here for a long time. The parameters can be set to allow full use after purchase. I've always said that it should have been called "Digital Register Media" instead of Digital Rights Management. Weedshare had a slogan: "The cash register is in the file". They sold song singles with DRM, but you could burn to CD or transfer to mobile with no problem after purchase. They set the permissions on the DRM that way. Porn should be the same ... Then content producers could just hang the files where ever. It would be much easier than worrying about scripts and processors. How do you change the consumers view of DRM though ... quite the task. Don't use DRM to "protect" the content, use it for easier distribution. Thieves will steal no matter what protection method is used. C4S built its whole business on the fact that consumers don't like DRM. When I quit worrying about "protecting" my content, I started making a LOT more money.

As a side note ... Ifriends provides a drm service for free to all cam hosts. The site is pay2play and your username/pass for IF works there also. The fee for cam hosts is 0, nada, zilch. You get 100% of the money. Others wishing to use it pay a 5% fee per file sold. I rolled up last year and made a go of it with them, but alas, the money was not worth the effort. I did sell clips. I did make money. But the sales were mostly from IF customers. I did not get much from regular website distribution. Their DRM parameters are set the "old way" though. I wonder if it would have worked better the Weedshare way ...

[KevinG]

1. I use DRM for my content and I don't give a rats ass if people hate it. Too fucking bad.

2. Clips for download - I am skeptical about this not being possible, but I could be wrong.

I have a client that mentioned he had an issue with it.

However, I have my own functionality with aMember and indeed offer individual files for download on http://www.cigarglamour.com. Granted, I have my own (non-adult) merchant account.

But ... we also use aMember for http://joannaangel.com with the processing through CCBill.

That site doesn't offer clips, but I could set it up in about 20-30 minutes. The functionality is there.

What I still don't know is if there is some RULE that would be broken.

I called ccbill yesterday, got voice-mail and didn't leave a message.

[Hammer]

It looks like PayPal may be coming around and you might want to talk to them about your pay per download option instead of a membership based site. At this time they have stated that they will once again process for adult as long as it's a hard good, like sex toys. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to include downloadable clips in that category. They may not be ready to consider it just yet, but hopefully they'll keep coming back in our direction because PayPal rocks.

[KevinG]

Originally Posted by Hammer

It looks like PayPal may be coming around and you might want to talk to them about your pay per download option instead of a membership based site. At this time they have stated that they will once again process for adult as long as it's a hard good, like sex toys. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to include downloadable clips in that category. They may not be ready to consider it just yet, but hopefully they'll keep coming back in our direction because PayPal rocks.

Sorry Hammer, but downloadable clips are definitely NOT hard goods.

My client found out the hard way when his merchant account got shut down.

He was selling adult DVDs and downloadable clips on the same site. He got shut down without warning because of the clips. So then he could sell anything for about a week. A weeks worth of sales for him is not insignificant and it could have been much worse if we didn't have the resources to scramble for a new merchant account with Net Billing's help.

[Hammer]

I suggested he talk to them to find out how they would classify downloadable clips, I did not suggest that he start using PayPal.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I suggested he talk to them to find out how they would classify downloadable clips, I did not suggest that he start using PayPal.

It's also of interest to note.....USA only.
And I'm STILL suspicious of them.

[MikeSouth]

I sell downloadable clips on one of my sites and it has worked well for me but...

it requires a merchant account which is actually easy to get or was for me ... got it through my bank for a grand total of 85 bucks...that done I set up netbilling and I use x-cart shopping cart software.

oddly enough I also have a clips4sale store and it works well on 2 levels...

first the c4s pricing actually forces me to charge a lot more than I do on my store so I make more money on c4s sales

since c4s allows my watermark on the clips it also helps to drive traffic and new customers

cant lose situation there

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by KevinG

1. I use DRM for my content and I don't give a rats ass if people hate it. Too fucking bad.
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