Will Criminals In This Industry Bring It Down?

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Would you cut 1/2 mil deal thru ICQ with someone you never met?

I've never done one quite that large via ICQ, but I've done lots of 5 figure deals.

Would I do a half million without a face to face? I would, but any deal I do has checks and balances built in along with milestones to minimize my exposure.

Now I will also say that there's a very long list of people in this business who I wouldn't do a $20 deal with. Some I've met, some I haven't, but in all cases I've seen how they do business. To each their own, but I dont want their action.

[Rcourt64]

You guys are a bunch of fat fucking nuts I could never do money transaction of large amount with someone I never met. I would spend the extra cash and fly across the country if needed for any deal of 5 figures or higher.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

You guys are a bunch of fat fucking nuts I could never do money transaction of large amount with someone I never met. I would spend the extra cash and fly across the country if needed for any deal of 5 figures or higher.

I dont have to meet someone face to face to "know them". Reputation means a TON in this business since so much business is done on a virtual basis. Unlike a large mainstream corp, we dont spend 40% of our time travelling and meeting someone in a suit in order to do big deals.

And again, I have checks and balances on everything. Escrow for big deals. When hiring large projects out, milestones are effective, etc.

[softball]

well, rcourt has never cut a 50k deal in his life, we all know that. So why you reply is beyond me. Ya wanna talk about crooks, well there is always Mike AI and Serge Oprano. Both of who could have never made a pot to piss in in the real world. They made money, but so did a shit load of drug dealers. Nothing to brag about. Except they both now think they are respectable when we all know they, like Jon Allaby are just crooks and could never survive in polite society. LMFAO

that would be nick@ilynx for board tracker....jon???? you still livin large in the middle of nowhere?

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

well, rcourt has never cut a 50k deal in his life, we all know that. So why you reply is beyond me. Ya wanna talk about crooks, well there is always Mike AI and Serge Oprano. Both of who could have never made a pot to piss in in the real world. They made money, but so did a shit load of drug dealers. Nothing to brag about. Except they both now think they are respectable when we all know they, like Jon Allaby are just crooks and could never survive in polite society. LMFAO

that would be nick@ilynx for board tracker....jon???? you still livin large in the middle of nowhere?

You've been speaking to my financial director or something???
But no I haven't. not on icq at least. No

[Greg B]

I think what's happening is two-fold.

Old school guys who spent all their loot and are trying to get back in but either haven't studied or are running into the new crop of hustlers taking them for a ride.

Second, the industry is getting hit by wannabe hustlers who have some skills but would rather resort to stealing and cutting and running and bullshit instead of hard work.

I never did this full time because I didn't have to. I remember when guys were starting out in the biz and busted their asses working. Guys like Hun, Shemp, Thumbzilla, Big Lou, Gonzo, to name a few you could run into on the boards and it was like guys never got any sleep. I would do toons for sites and then for me because I make my content I would work non-stop sometimes for months but would come up with enough content for a year or two. I wasn't in this business to make a fortune but I had to realize if you don't make the money, your enemies will.

Some guys get caught up in dope or gambling or blackmail and you have to keep a sharp eye peeled for them. They'll snuggle up to you and like they say in the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #48 "The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife!". It's really pitiful to see once stand up guys let these hoodlums run roughshod all over them but when you see behind the scenes and get those ' my client would like to negotiate a settlement ' thingies and they're in rehab you kinda wonder how much damage was really done.

Key thing is if the bullshit doesn't stop you're going to see processors and hosting companies drop anything adult like a rock due to increasing liability. Sure there'll be a major demand for porn but that demand is not going to override legal fines and shit. Yeah servers can be set up outside of the U.S. but would your surfer trust their money with it?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Key thing is if the bullshit doesn't stop you're going to see processors and hosting companies drop anything adult like a rock due to increasing liability. Sure there'll be a major demand for porn but that demand is not going to override legal fines and shit. Yeah servers can be set up outside of the U.S. but would your surfer trust their money with it?

If we dont regulate ourselves the government will do it for us.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

You guys are a bunch of fat fucking nuts I could never do money transaction of large amount with someone I never met. I would spend the extra cash and fly across the country if needed for any deal of 5 figures or higher.

I didnt want to fly to Paris.