Court asks if porn law covers mainstream films

[gonzo]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Several U.S. Supreme Court justices expressed doubt on Tuesday that a law barring child pornography could be applied to popular award-winning movies like "Lolita," "Traffic," American Beauty" and "Titanic."

The justices appeared to support the pandering provision of a 2003 federal law that makes it a crime to promote, distribute or solicit material in a way intended to cause others to believe it contains child pornography.

They were hearing arguments in a case brought by the Bush administration urging them to uphold the law, after a U.S. appeals court struck down that provision on the grounds the government cannot suppress lawful free speech.
Bush administration lawyer Paul Clement argued that the law does not illegally infringe on free-speech or other rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.
He said the law does not inhibit legitimate creative expression, and drew a distinction between mainstream movies and illegal child pornography.

"If you're taking a movie like 'Traffic' or 'American Beauty', which is not child pornography, and you're simply truthfully promoting it, you have nothing to worry about with this statute," Clement told the justices.

"Traffic" has a scene with the high-school daughter of the nation's drug czar appearing to have sex with a drug dealer; "Lolita" portrayed a middle-aged man's obsession with a young girl; "Titanic" depicted a love affair by a young couple on a doomed ship; and "American Beauty" involved a 42-year-old man's attraction to his daughter's best friend.

Chief Justice John Roberts asked the attorney who is challenging the law about the government's distinction between legitimate films and illegal child pornography.

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[seochick]

good thing, there's such thing as a cyber crime in your country or a law for pornography. here in our country, there's no specific law for cyber crime

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by seochick

good thing, there's such thing as a cyber crime in your country or a law for pornography. here in our country, there's no specific law for cyber crime

Huh?

What country are you in? That sure as hell made no sense. Tell me how are you are SEO specialist if you have no comprehension of english?

[spazlabz]

Some of us in adult have been screaming for years that 2257 needed to be applied to Hollywood films... it's nice to see a court asking the question.


spaz

[KevinG]

This makes sense going along with the Supreme Court's 2002 decision striking down the CPPA act because it banned virtual CP.

Basically they said fake cp is just that, fake ... so how can it be illegal?

Like, I can't be found guilty of selling pot if it's really oregano.

[Hammer]

ummm... Titanic?

The actors that played the parts were in their twenties and it's been a while since I saw the movie, but at what point did they indicate that the lovers in question were under 18? I also vaguely remember a scene where he was drawing her picture while she laid nude on a couch but I'll be damned if I can remember the scene where Leonardo actually banged the chick.

You know, the whole idea of holding Hollywood accountable to this idiotic child porn obsession the government has is ridiculous and even more ridiculous than claiming that 2257 will protect children in any way, but now we're rooting for the bad guys when they go after Hollywood? WTF?

C'mon Spaz, really.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Hammer

ummm... Titanic?

The actors that played the parts were in their twenties and it's been a while since I saw the movie, but at what point did they indicate that the lovers in question were under 18? I also vaguely remember a scene where he was drawing her picture while she laid nude on a couch but I'll be damned if I can remember the scene where Leonardo actually banged the chick.

You know, the whole idea of holding Hollywood accountable to this idiotic child porn obsession the government has is ridiculous and even more ridiculous than claiming that 2257 will protect children in any way, but now we're rooting for the bad guys when they go after Hollywood? WTF?

C'mon Spaz, really.

I am not rooting for the bad guys for going after Hollywood, I WANT them to place the same restrictions for sexually explicit content to, follow the exact same regulations we do. Once the mainstream gets a taste of the craziness involved it may see the light of day as the stupidity it is... LOTS of press that will work in our favor


spaz

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Hammer

ummm... Titanic?

The actors that played the parts were in their twenties and it's been a while since I saw the movie, but at what point did they indicate that the lovers in question were under 18? I also vaguely remember a scene where he was drawing her picture while she laid nude on a couch but I'll be damned if I can remember the scene where Leonardo actually banged the chick.

You know, the whole idea of holding Hollywood accountable to this idiotic child porn obsession the government has is ridiculous and even more ridiculous than claiming that 2257 will protect children in any way, but now we're rooting for the bad guys when they go after Hollywood? WTF?

C'mon Spaz, really.

I wouldn't want to be mis-understood either.....but if you look deeply into the law, it would apply to that scene in the car on Titanic, as they "Implied" the act. And of course, her nipples were in a "turgid" state.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner......5 years in jail for you, sir.

[helix]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

I wouldn't want to be mis-understood either.....but if you look deeply into the law, it would apply to that scene in the car on Titanic, as they "Implied" the act. And of course, her nipples were in a "turgid" state.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner......5 years in jail for you, sir.

Bonus points for you because you used the word "turgid" in a sentence.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by helix

Bonus points for you because you used the word "turgid" in a sentence.

Hey, I'm a PROfessional writer you know.
I'z gots all kinds o' big worders.

[Hammer]

Looking at turgid nipples often results in a turgid penis which is of course the definition of lascivious. The law says "lascivious displays of the genitals" or "actual or simulated sex" but I seriously doubt that any Hollywod scenes would be what most reasonable people would construe as simulated sex and I've never seen a Hollywood movie scene that showed a lascivious display of the genitals. In most cases, most of what you think you see is a response of your imagination.

Now, on the other hand, a photo of a chick about to put her mouth on a penis but not actually doing it or a photo of a guy with his penis about to enter a vagina but not actually entering, is pretty much going to be considered "simulated sex" by just about everyone.

So, comparing Hollywood sex to porn sex and hoping that the government is going to start applying 2257 to Hollywood and thinking that will lead to a public outcry of support for the porn industry is nothing more than wishful thinking.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Looking at turgid nipples often results in a turgid penis which is of course the definition of lascivious. The law says "lascivious displays of the genitals" or "actual or simulated sex" but I seriously doubt that any Hollywod scenes would be what most reasonable people would construe as simulated sex and I've never seen a Hollywood movie scene that showed a lascivious display of the genitals. In most cases, most of what you think you see is a response of your imagination.

Now, on the other hand, a photo of a chick about to put her mouth on a penis but not actually doing it or a photo of a guy with his penis about to enter a vagina but not actually entering, is pretty much going to be considered "simulated sex" by just about everyone.

So, comparing Hollywood sex to porn sex and hoping that the government is going to start applying 2257 to Hollywood and thinking that will lead to a public outcry of support for the porn industry is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Isn't it Monster's Ball where Halley Berry gets stone cold bent over and fucked like crazy? Tits flying, moaning and groaning and being treated like a total slut thereby fulfilling at least a dozen of my feverish fantasies all at one time?

require a custodian of records for movies that have scenes like this is all I want

You put the exact same thing in a porn site, no cock visible, you think you could get away without having a 2257 statement and a CoR's page?

spaz

[KevinG]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

Isn't it Monster's Ball where Halley Berry gets stone cold bent over and fucked like crazy? Tits flying, moaning and groaning and being treated like a total slut thereby fulfilling at least a dozen of my feverish fantasies all at one time?

I need a clip of that ... and a box of tissues please.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by KevinG

I need a clip of that ... and a box of tissues please.

heh heh... the most I will confess to when I watched the scene my freaking jaw dropped and..... nevermind LOL


spaz

[Hammer]

Spaz, as soon as you can prove that the porn videos on your site have any artistic merit to them whatsoever, I'm sure you'll be afforded the same leeway that Hollywood is. Do you not see the difference between a Hollywood movie with sex scenes that further the story line and a porn video that has zero artistic or literary value?

Further, in Hollywood movies everyone knows that the guys dick is not actually in Halle Berry's pussy, yet in a simulated porn video, there's no way to know.

When Halle Berry has sex on screen it's acting. I don't care what you say, there isn't anything close to acting going on a porn video except for the chick's orgasm. And since in the vast majority of porn videos the chick actually is getting fucked, there is a point to requiring the producer to prove the model's age but why would anyone with half a brain require a producer to prove Halle Berry's age when everyone knows she wasn't actually having sex.

[masterbets]

The gov needs to stop censoring shit. It is getting out of hand.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by masterbets

The gov needs to stop censoring shit. It is getting out of hand.

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds..................................



..................................That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --