Affiliate Programs...I was going to start one

[vdc-Loki]

Originally Posted by Greg B

VDC-Loki said it right in many ways. You could do right but this business is rapidly turning into a junky's free for all. Even the half assed mobsters just blow their shit every turn.

As for affiliate programs, I've never had a problem with getting top webmasters to sign up under me. It only takes like 5 or 10 guys who really know what they're doing to sign up under you to make you. The smaller guys contribute but the top guys are the bulk.

In all honesty, and purely my own opinion...

This industry (the online mainly) has ALWAYS been a "junkie free for all" in many ways. All one needs to do is look at the history of it all since the late 90's, pretty much this online version of the porn world was built on the backbone of lies and deception, liars cheats and thieves.

First we find ways to bilk the customers and make it damn near impossible for them to cancel, then we trick the customers with content thats not inside the members area, then we rebilled till we got caught, etc etc etc

Next up, all the lil junkies flooded the scene and made some quick bucks so they HAD to brag and brag and brag showing off their checks, cars, houses (even if they were FAKE pics lol)

then all the sudden we get cracked down harder and harder more and more.... see the trend?


Back to the Affil issue,

You are 100% right that a small handful of power affils can lead you to glory (so to speak) but from what I have went through these last years I never have been able to land any of them.

If you take the Zoo as gospel (LMAO) there's TONS of power affils, but the bulk of those guys all want something MORE for the work they CLAIM they can do for you.

Sooooo, How does one go about finding the "whales, power affils, or just 5-10 guys who know their shit" ?

Cause the longer I pound the "cyber streets" the less I'm starting to care about my affil program and the more I think I should just make and sell content lol

-Loki-

[Greg B]

VDC-Loki,

in comparison to the other industries I've worked in the adult business has been the most consistent and honest. Then again I've worked in journalism, movies, comic books, tv.

Talk about criminal industries!

It's only been the past 18 months I've seen things in adult go to shit. If you do your due diligence you'll notice the decline in direct connection to arrests, orders to rehab, and letters from attorneys begging for mercy.

If I get one more "My client has been suffering from substance abuse issues" I can paper my wall with them.

Especially when their brothers, sisters and exes rat them out.

Anhow, there's so much content on the web an affiliate is only as good as they are fresh and unique. I solved my problem by just picking the ten webmasters I know I can trust. They signed up in no problem.

You get other programs that hire shills to go to boards boasting all about the payouts and that's the first sign the program sucks ass. You know as good as me that if you found an affiliate that sold that good the last thing you'd do is tell everyone on the boards and blast a half page sized sig.

It's said a sucker is born every minute.

[softball]

I'll bet it fills in some gaps to as to why so many affliate programs don't sell for shit.

Any dork can set up an affiliate proggy. But if you are any good, do you want to sell it? That is your call. If you can't sell it, don't bitch around here. You just can't separate the chaff from the wheat and that is your problem. Not the guy who pitched you and you bit.

[EmporerEJ]

I can't tell you guys how glad I am we sell a product that gets purchased, shipped, and placed in the customer's hands.
No nonsense to deal with here!

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

I can't tell you guys how glad I am we sell a product that gets purchased, shipped, and placed in the customer's hands.
No nonsense to deal with here!

So do I.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Any dork can set up an affiliate proggy. But if you are any good, do you want to sell it? That is your call. If you can't sell it, don't bitch around here. You just can't separate the chaff from the wheat and that is your problem. Not the guy who pitched you and you bit.

Thats an interesting point.
Most people want to slap up a pay site and drop in an affiliate program right out the gate.
Ive often wondered how they expect anyone to make sales if they cant first.

Heres an example I was working with someone on a white label solution. THey told me they would move me to the top of the pile.

HOW MANY JOINS WILL YOU SEND US?

Interesting concept.
I send you the lead - its your resposibility to close them.
NOT MINE!

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Thats an interesting point.
Most people want to slap up a pay site and drop in an affiliate program right out the gate.
Ive often wondered how they expect anyone to make sales if they cant first.

Heres an example I was working with someone on a white label solution. THey told me they would move me to the top of the pile.

HOW MANY JOINS WILL YOU SEND US?

Interesting concept.
I send you the lead - its your resposibility to close them.
NOT MINE!

I had my websites up for years before I did an aff programme. I know what sells in my little end of the business. I also see who sells and who does not when they decide to pitch our business. I find it enlightening. It does not matter how good a salesman you are, if you don't understand the market you will fail. Wait a minute, I guess if you are good salesman you won't pitch something you can't sell. What was I thinking?

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I had my websites up for years before I did an aff programme. I know what sells in my little end of the business. I also see who sells and who does not when they decide to pitch our business. I find it enlightening. It does not matter how good a salesman you are, if you don't understand the market you will fail. Wait a minute, I guess if you are good salesman you won't pitch something you can't sell. What was I thinking?

Believe it or not I agree. I had my site up for almost 7 years before I considered starting an affiliate program.

When I did it was because of certain factors all in my favor and it worked like a charm.

Now that I have more to offer and more time to do it with all the new video technologies and art technologies I can work on another one that suits me just fine.

I think an affiliate program is attractive because you have more hands promoting you with their own creative ways.

I don't think of it as much as getting new customers as in getting new friends. Friends tend to stay longer and recommend you to more friends.

I'm lucky that I can take months off at a time to just futz around and experiment. I have 3 weeks of non interference which I'm going to spend in my studio just drawing, trying new graphics programs and applying them. New ideas pop up all the time and I'm sure I'll have some doozies come along.

Study and application always works.