Pure Vanilla - No Credit Card Processing ?

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

That is exactly why I never got involved with IBill.

OH COME ON now bro! No one was clairvoyant with iBill man, they were a very respected 3rd party biller. I processed hundreds of thousands of dollars with them back in '98 '99 time period. I dropped them when the Visa fee came out and they wanted to charge me it for the 900# processing and I cried BS on that one... then is when I felt they were going to circle the drain and even so it took a year or more for them to be obviously bad. During that time new paysites were STILL signing up to have them provide billing.... I am sure you never saw that shit coming until the Visa Fee went into effect like everyone else.


of course I could be wrong but c'mon now


spaz

[softball]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

OH COME ON now bro! No one was clairvoyant with iBill man, they were a very respected 3rd party biller. I processed hundreds of thousands of dollars with them back in '98 '99 time period. I dropped them when the Visa fee came out and they wanted to charge me it for the 900# processing and I cried BS on that one... then is when I felt they were going to circle the drain and even so it took a year or more for them to be obviously bad. During that time new paysites were STILL signing up to have them provide billing.... I am sure you never saw that shit coming until the Visa Fee went into effect like everyone else.


of course I could be wrong but c'mon now


spaz

You are kinda wrong. I never thought they would tank so badly, but every IBill guy that tried to pitch us was young and dumb. There was no way I was going to let those clowns near my money. I did however, use 2000 charge as a secondary and they tanked. So I am not prescient by any stretch, but IBill gave me the creeps. I am very happy with netbilling who I have been with since they started. Good, honest folks who run a tight ship. We all had start up issues back then in the stone age, but only the strong survive and Darwin kicked in.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You are kinda wrong. I never thought they would tank so badly, but every IBill guy that tried to pitch us was young and dumb. There was no way I was going to let those clowns near my money. I did however, use 2000 charge as a secondary and they tanked. So I am not prescient by any stretch, but IBill gave me the creeps. I am very happy with netbilling who I have been with since they started. Good, honest folks who run a tight ship. We all had start up issues back then in the stone age, but only the strong survive and Darwin kicked in.

I hear that... I have to say out of all the billing processors I have come into contact with the best one by far has had to have been Epoch/Paycom... Others results may vary but in my experience they have been the most helpful to Royal Cash & myself


spaz

[softball]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

I hear that... I have to say out of all the billing processors I have come into contact with the best one by far has had to have been Epoch/Paycom... Others results may vary but in my experience they have been the most helpful to Royal Cash & myself


spaz

I am using ccbill as my secondary and affiliate processor. They seem functional and pay us and our affiliates on time. No real complaints and affiliates trust them, but I would not want to necessarily rely on them as a primary. I think they scrub too hard.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I am using ccbill as my secondary and affiliate processor. They seem functional and pay us and our affiliates on time. No real complaints and affiliates trust them, but I would not want to necessarily rely on them as a primary. I think they scrub too hard.

Yeah that CCBill scrub is legendary. I had them as my primary with Apollos Temple but I kept seeing a decline in sign ups from the same traffic. It got to 25% and I said to hell with it. And I have a great relationship with Epoch and enough secondary processors to give potential customers loads of choices.


spaz

[MRock]

any opinions on Verotel? I use them as primary on 5 sites, no complaints from me, but I really only used them to avoid the VISA charges. I use their affiliate program for 1 site... "just to test it" .... which is my mantra for all things new to me. I just set up with PV recently..."just to test it"...and I see where that is going...I did use CCBill back in '99, but have not tried the others you guys are talking about.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by MRock

any opinions on Verotel? I use them as primary on 5 sites, no complaints from me, but I really only used them to avoid the VISA charges. I use their affiliate program for 1 site... "just to test it" .... which is my mantra for all things new to me. I just set up with PV recently..."just to test it"...and I see where that is going...I did use CCBill back in '99, but have not tried the others you guys are talking about.

I switched from CCBill to Verotel several years ago for about a week and then switched back... i had a 70% drop in sales during that week, switched back to CCBill and they went right back up. I have no idea what was wrong but I haven't touched them since nor have I recommended them to anyone else


spaz