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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Reach out from the video, and grab the viewer by the balls? Now THAT is something new.
Reach out and poke the closet gay guy in the ass as it's happening on the screen? That's something you can't do today.
Feel the chic at the other end of the video picture suck the chrome off your bumper hitch?
Yep, you guessed it. New.

I first played with VR at a fair back in the early-mid 80's. So, you combine some VR with a motorized pocket pal and you call it new?

Sorry, ifriends was doing that by 2000 or so with remote controlled dildoes, etc.

I am not downing your product here, or not saying it's not cool. But to try to label everything else as not being "innovative" because they were merely taking what was happening in print or TV and moving it to the net while trying to label yours as innovative and new when it has also been done before is pure bullshit.

just imho of course.

Just as an aside, reaching out and grabbing the surfer by the balls would be innovative if it did not involve the surfer having to wear some kinda contraption. You think you are gonna see ME put some machine around my dick and then give someone else(real or virtual) the control over it??? You got another think coming.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I first played with VR at a fair back in the early-mid 80's. So, you combine some VR with a motorized pocket pal and you call it new?

Sorry, ifriends was doing that by 2000 or so with remote controlled dildoes, etc.

I am not downing your product here, or not saying it's not cool. But to try to label everything else as not being "innovative" because they were merely taking what was happening in print or TV and moving it to the net while trying to label yours as innovative and new when it has also been done before is pure bullshit.

just imho of course.

Just as an aside, reaching out and grabbing the surfer by the balls would be innovative if it did not involve the surfer having to wear some kinda contraption. You think you are gonna see ME put some machine around my dick and then give someone else(real or virtual) the control over it??? You got another think coming.

Your facts are slightly askew-
We were the ones that introduced this technology in 2000. (Easily verifiable)
We first demomstrated it publicly in 1998 on a show that reached many interested people and generated several serious partnership offers.
Ifirends/webpower decided on doing a poor rip-off of what we were doing when Al Hadhazy and I couldn't reach an accommodation. Their idea was to make a Chinese remote control vibrator with a low cost and high sales price, make money hard and fast at the surfer's expense.
Our idea was to create a new technology with immersive Virtual Reality and Haptic peripherals. What we did, and still today, had never been done before. (Except in the movies, and in literature)
We're still here, they aren't. Draw your own conclusions.



"surfer having to wear some kinda contraption. " -are you referring to the Virtual Sex Machine, or a VR Headset? Of course you must insert your penis in the VSM (That's where the haptic part comes from) but the VR headset is a completely unrelated immersive device that is not part of our technology, but IS compatible with it.

Our system is not a "remote controlled dildo" anything. It recreates an experience physically as it happens on whatever screen (Monitor or headset) you may be working with.
I assume you prefer manual masturbation release to videos as opposed to an automated procedure. Certainly up to you.

But I'm afraid you may not completely understand the concept, and if that's the case, our marketing is severely lacking.
If I can't make an industry insider understand the technology with a glance, we have a harder time making the average surfer understand.
I find it incredibly difficult to judge how best to portray the technology in a way that clearly describes it to someone that has never seen it before. Your initial impressions are very helpful in guiding our efforts.
Much of what we do is exactly this: educate people on a new concept that formerly only existed in the imagination.

But my initial assessment is not meant as an indictment on the entire online adult industry. the TECHNOLOGY result that has resulted from "porn on the internet" has advanced very little. If the internet has had any kind of great innovation, it would be in the area of distribution and access. It has truly flattened the earth and made instant access to all manner of information. My comment was limited to the parameters set out by the thread starter's (RCourt64) request, and subsequent comments narrowing that thought.

[sarettah]

I think I understand more than you think.

Call it what you will. It is a pocketpal, a fancy high tech, motorized and highly technologized pocket pal.


as far as your comment to Rcourt:

You are not one iota closer to touching her supple breast than you were 40 years ago.

And your product is? How? because you are creating a sensation inside some contraption so it actually feels like you are touching something?? You still aren't any closer to touching the actual thing, you are just fooling yourself better.

In the end, whether it's all just paper and ink or whether it is just electrons and gizmos, it is not the real thing and that is what is important.

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"The Pop Star Massage Unit. A dildo is what it is, it's just like a regular dildo but it has a slot and in the slot goes the cassette."

"Picture it if you will, perhaps the Mick Jagger model, average length caucasion. Giant glossy of Mick taped to the ceiling, you slip on the top, put in the cassette and Mick Jagger sings Jumping Jack Flash between your legs ladies and gentlemen....."

"And they come in all shapes and sizes from the little emaciated white John Denver model (how do you know??) to the large black transparent Jimi Hendrix model...."

(Flo and Eddie, 1974)

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by sarettah

And your product is? How? because you are creating a sensation inside some contraption so it actually feels like you are touching something?? You still aren't any closer to touching the actual thing, you are just fooling yourself better.

In the end, whether it's all just paper and ink or whether it is just electrons and gizmos, it is not the real thing and that is what is important.

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"The Pop Star Massage Unit. A dildo is what it is, it's just like a regular dildo but it has a slot and in the slot goes the cassette."

(Flo and Eddie, 1974)

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I respectfully disagree with you.
And, having never experienced it, it's easy for you to say "it's a pocket whatever."
It's Ok, I don't need to "convert" you.

We have created a way to be closer, but you are right. It's not the real thing and never will be. That is, after all, the whole point. It's "VIRTUAL REALITY."
It "being real" is NOT the whole point. Not having direct access to the "real thing" is exactly what we are talking about in all these conversations.
You have the "thing," but on your terms, and when, where, and how YOU want it.
Perhaps that doesn't appeal to you, but fortunately for us, it does appeal to millions of others.
And again, I'm not on a quest to convert you to my "religion."

You do prove one of my points though....even in 1974 people were dreaming of Virtual Sex, in the limited technological terms they understood at the time....
good lord, am I old enough to remember loading programs from cassette tapes?
The two little blinking squares as the the computer performed "cload"
Later, I even had one of those fancy floppy disc things.....single sided, 180K in my coco!

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

You do prove one of my points though....even in 1974 people were dreaming of Virtual Sex, in the limited technological terms they understood at the time....
good lord, am I old enough to remember loading programs from cassette tapes?
The two little blinking squares as the the computer performed "cload"
Later, I even had one of those fancy floppy disc things.....single sided, 180K in my coco!

Lolol.. people have been trying to figure out how to have satisfying sex by themselves for ages. Nothing new about it, long before 1974, hell I bet the first cave man that had his cave lady pull a "Not tonight, this thing on my shoulders hurts" (they hadn't invented a name for heads yet) and he had to do hisself by hand, he probably was looking around trying to figure out what else there was that he could stick his thing into to get some action (watch out for the tyrannosaurus rex dude, he looks like he'd like it, but he won't).

And all I was trying to say in all this is that while you poo poo other "innovations" and try to play yours up as something "new", it isn't any newer than any of the other ideas out there. And that was really my only point.

There is really nothing new under the sun, just possibly better delivery systems

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Lolol.. people have been trying to figure out how to have satisfying sex by themselves for ages. Nothing new about it, long before 1974, hell I bet the first cave man that had his cave lady pull a "Not tonight, this thing on my shoulders hurts" (they hadn't invented a name for heads yet) and he had to di hisself by hand, he probably was looking around trying to figure out what else there was that he could stick his thing into to get some action (watch out for the tyrannosaurus rex dude, he looks like he'd like it, but he won't).

And all I was trying to say in all this is that while you poo poo other "innovations" and try to play yours up as something "new", it isn't any newer than any of the other ideas out there. And that was really my only point.

There is really nothing new under the sun, just possibly better delivery systems

Well, it's certainly one opinion....

I wonder what cave man's version of sheep were? 'cause you know that twisted fuck that hadn't invented the church yet, was poking anything that felt good, and looked inviting. (And more importantly, he could catch.)

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[sarettah]

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Q: Who do we have to thank for the dildo?

—N.S., Columbus, Ohio

A: The phallic sex toy probably qualifies more as a discovery than an invention. After all, the vagina is made to accommodate not merely a penis, but anything of that general character. Smooth sticks, bones and various vegetation no doubt presented themselves early on to the creative human mind.

Spotting the first human-made, specifically engineered dildo is no easy task. History has largely shunned chronicling sexual behavior. Modern retrospective history tends to be biased, as we all are in sexual matters: Unmistakable images in art have often been downplayed by mainstream historians while lesbian scholars have tended to grab at any dildo-shaped straw. It can be very difficult to tell the difference between phallic symbolism—which was rampant in the ancient world—and actual, practical dildo use.

There is also the matter of ill-understood defloweration ceremonies performed on young girls in the ancient East. Whether the implements used in such cases are, per se, dildos is a matter of interpretation.

(The origin of the world “dildo,” incidentally, is unknown, and of fairly recent, 17th-century vintage.)

The earliest dildo descriptions we can identify with certainty come from ancient Greece, as early as about 400 B.C. Their imagery adorns large numbers of surviving pottery and other artworks, and their use is confirmed in surviving literature from the period.

The Greeks called their dildos olisbos. They appear to have been made of either smooth wood or very soft leather. There are some descriptions of olisbos with straps attached, possibly for fixing the dildo to a solid object for convenience, or perhaps also for wearing and using with a partner. (Straps are a common add-on for modern dildos; the same idea we know to have been hit upon in medieval Asia.)

The Greek descriptions make it clear that dildos were very popular among lesbians. There is more discretion regarding their use among straight women, but they appear to have been quite mainstream there as well, if art is any suggestion.

I could find no ancient references to anal dildo use among either women or men. Absence of evidence is surely not evidence of absence in this case, but commercially designed, specialty anal dildos seem to be a fairly modern invention.

[EmporerEJ]

I saw some caveman era photos of suspiciously shaped rocks before too.
CaveMan-find something to stick into:
CaveWoman-Find something to stick in:

probably had the same damn arguments about what channel they were gonna watch on the celestial Tv at night.

Tell me, why didn't they ever come up with a tv that had split (equal size of course) screens that had two channels of audio output to sell to married people?

(This, of course, is precisely why I never got married...no compatible TV)

I gotta have my Trek and Battlestar Galactica.