Aussie internet porn crusade

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by cj

This is the interesting part ... don't offline businesses already have to meet many approvals before they can service children? A child care centre can't just pop up, neither can a theme park or a video can't be released without a classification. Saying we can clean up the porn and move it to another location only solves keeping kids away from porn, not all the other crap online. There are other things that concern me far more where kids and the internet are concerned than porn, so why not leave all of the 'objectionable' material where it is and create a safe zone ...


Its not about who should have to pay for it or whose responsibility it is or who has to move, at the end of the day the only issue that needs to be resolved is the safety of children and by gathering them together we can protect them properly from MOST of the shit that's online.

I'm taking it to oprah!! LOL

I think this is a good message why doesnt Joan and Helmy persue this instead of badgering companies for large donations?

I often wonder where all that money goes. Same kiddie porn sites out there that Ive seen for years. Doesnt look like shes being too effective to me.

Add up the donations from the page alone and you will see that there is a lot of money being donated yet NOTHING is being done about it.

[Hammer]

Good points CJ and Gonzo.

Now that you put it that way CJ, I agree and that's an excellent point. Looking forward to seeing you on Oprah.

Gonzo, I wonder the same thing and agree that ASACP doesn't seem to accomplish much although I see Joan and Brandon at every show and I'm pretty sure that donations are paying their ways. Now they're touting their own tagging system and asking us to abandon ICRA's. How many sites have you run across with the RTA symbol?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Now they're touting their own tagging system and asking us to abandon ICRA's. How many sites have you run across with the RTA symbol?

I see the RTA logo on quite a few sites. And for the record, ICRA is now FOSI.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Toby

I see the RTA logo on quite a few sites. And for the record, ICRA is now FOSI.

By quite a few you mean like 20?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Hammer

By quite a few you mean like 20?

No, I mean more often than I see the ICRA logo.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Toby

No, I mean more often than I see the ICRA logo.

ICRA doesn't require a logo, just have to put the right stuff in meta. I put ICRA on all of my sites. Works with every blocking program or content control method I'm aware of.

I dont know about this other one from ASACP, how does it work? Do I have to fly their logo? Cost? Does everything support it?

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

I dont know about this other one from ASACP, how does it work? Do I have to fly their logo? Cost? Does everything support it?

It works the same as ICRA's. It's a meta tag and it's free. http://www.rtalabel.org/howto.php

Why it's better than ICRA's, I'm not sure.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

ICRA doesn't require a logo, just have to put the right stuff in meta. I put ICRA on all of my sites. Works with every blocking program or content control method I'm aware of.

I dont know about this other one from ASACP, how does it work? Do I have to fly their logo? Cost? Does everything support it?

RTA doesn't require a logo either and it's just a simple META tag that is the same on every site and page you put it on. I only put the logo on my warning pages, and that is completely voluntary.

I've been through this whole discussion already, when RTA went live last November. So I'm going to cheat a little a quote myself...

Originally Posted by Toby on GG&J Nov 7,2006

The difference between RTA and ICRA is in the complexity. ICRA requires a complex customized tag for each domain. RTA is a simple meta tag that is the same for every site you use it on, and you don't need to register or fill in any forms to use the tag.

Now, you could argue that ICRA and the Rating Meta are already in place (content="restricted"), as defined by W3C years ago, why do we need another? Those tags have existed for some time, and the Government is still saying, "...we’ll mandate it, if you don’t." ICRA and W3C are not going to spend any time or effort trying to get the adult webmaster community to voluntarily self-label. When is the last time you saw any kind of press release from ICRA (now FOSI) directed at webmasters?

Sure ASACP could have just used the existing W3C rating meta label, but a new specific label of their own lets them create a Terms and Conditions of Use.

If ASACP can get the SE's involved, then it levels the playing field by providing incentive for ALL webmasters to self-label, not just those of us in the good ol' U.S.A.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Good points CJ and Gonzo.

Now that you put it that way CJ, I agree and that's an excellent point. Looking forward to seeing you on Oprah.

Gonzo, I wonder the same thing and agree that ASACP doesn't seem to accomplish much although I see Joan and Brandon at every show and I'm pretty sure that donations are paying their ways. Now they're touting their own tagging system and asking us to abandon ICRA's. How many sites have you run across with the RTA symbol?

Nobody said they were stupid. Sooner or later everyone was going to figure out that their contribution to the war on kiddie porn was worthless. It was a nice move for Helmy...and lets not forget both of their involvement early on with .XXX . Even though they would like for us to.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Good points CJ and Gonzo.

Now that you put it that way CJ, I agree and that's an excellent point. Looking forward to seeing you on Oprah.

Gonzo, I wonder the same thing and agree that ASACP doesn't seem to accomplish much although I see Joan and Brandon at every show and I'm pretty sure that donations are paying their ways. Now they're touting their own tagging system and asking us to abandon ICRA's. How many sites have you run across with the RTA symbol?

Ever submit a kiddie porn site to them?

Did they get it taken down?

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Ever submit a kiddie porn site to them?

Did they get it taken down?

No, but I've submtted cp sites to the FBI and they got them taken down with no donation required. My tax dollars at work.