Newbie......

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

What did he talk about? I must have missed it.

The seminar was about community sites and pretty much everything he said was pure bullshit, but he really stepped in it when I said that I didn't agree with community sites censoring words like GFY does and he went off on how they could get sued if they don't censor words like pedophile.

He and Eric from GFY both said that if they don't censor words like that people call each other those names and I said, it also means that no one can carry on a legitimate conversation about child porn and pedophiles because those words (at least on GFY), are replaced with hahahahahahahahaha.

He argued his point to the point that J.D. Obenberger (who was in the audience) stood up and said that no word in the English language is considered legally obscene and arguing my point that no words should be censored. Then Mr. Applebees started arguing points of law with Obenberger who finally threw up his hands, laughed and walked out, while moderator Mark Womack is apologizing to him all the way to the door.

Then I asked a question about 2257 and a community site's responsibility in that regard specifically of Eric Bernstein at which point Appleboy started to answer so I said, "I asked the attorney" so he shut up.

Those are just a couple examples. He had some of us laughing the whole seminar.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

The seminar was about community sites and pretty much everything he said was pure bullshit, but he really stepped in it when I said that I didn't agree with community sites censoring words like GFY does and he went off on how they could get sued if they don't censor words like pedophile.

He and Eric from GFY both said that if they don't censor words like that people call each other those names and I said, it also means that no one can carry on a legitimate conversation about child porn and pedophiles because those words (at least on GFY), are replaced with hahahahahahahahaha.

He argued his point to the point that J.D. Obenberger (who was in the audience) stood up and said that no word in the English language is considered legally obscene and arguing my point that no words should be censored. Then Mr. Applebees started arguing points of law with Obenberger who finally threw up his hands, laughed and walked out, while moderator Mark Womack is apologizing to him all the way to the door.

Then I asked a question about 2257 and a community site's responsibility in that regard specifically of Eric Bernstein at which point Appleboy started to answer so I said, "I asked the attorney" so he shut up.

Those are just a couple examples. He had some of us laughing the whole seminar.

and avn hired this guy to be on a panel?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Jace

and avn hired this guy to be on a panel?

Lance from Xtube was too busy so he sent his waterboy.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Lance from Xtube was too busy so he sent his waterboy.

that is nuts, there is so much talent out there when it comes to adult webmastering, I just don't get why they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

that is nuts, there is so much talent out there when it comes to adult webmastering, I just don't get why they have to scrape the bottom of the barrel

Politics and bribes.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Politics and bribes.

I have to step up for AVN on this one.
They solicit for each show and each panel speakers from an open invitation.

You have to remember AVN publishes a magazine and hosts those Internext shows. Their insight into the inner workings of this business is limited from that respect.

Weve all seen how people coming into the net side of this business are either easily swayed or confused by sig whores and people who pass themselves off as marketing geniuses that know nothing.

Spinning tunes poolside at the Hard Rock hardly qualifies anyone for marketing in this business. Those that are successful dont promote the clients they take money from but continue to promote themselves.

Jace I know youve been asked to sit on a blogging panel before.

If anyone is interested in being on a panel I suggest that you contact AVNonline and make your case. I for one wouldnt mind attending more of these from a listeners side.

Keep in mind though that people will expect your expert advice for free.
So be willing to share some of your success strategies before volunteering.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I have to step up for AVN on this one.
They solicit for each show and each panel speakers from an open invitation.

You have to remember AVN publishes a magazine and hosts those Internext shows. Their insight into the inner workings of this business is limited from that respect.

Weve all seen how people coming into the net side of this business are either easily swayed or confused by sig whores and people who pass themselves off as marketing geniuses that know nothing.

Spinning tunes poolside at the Hard Rock hardly qualifies anyone for marketing in this business. Those that are successful dont promote the clients they take money from but continue to promote themselves.

Jace I know youve been asked to sit on a blogging panel before.

If anyone is interested in being on a panel I suggest that you contact AVNonline and make your case. I for one wouldnt mind attending more of these from a listeners side.

Keep in mind though that people will expect your expert advice for free.
So be willing to share some of your success strategies before volunteering.

well, at the time I just didn't like avn very much, and while that stands true for the most part, I now look at the joke the panels are and know there is NO WAY I would ever get up there and do it

i would however be game for a private workshop for newbies or something like that, "building traffic with blogs", I finally feel confident in my abilities to be able to handle something like that

but I won't be put on the chopping block in a "panel" setting, i see more people coming back from internext laughing at them more than anything

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I have to step up for AVN on this one.
They solicit for each show and each panel speakers from an open invitation.

Oh they solicit for panel speakers for each show, but that only gives them a list to pick from. How do they pick from the list once they have it? Do you think they make their choices randomly by putting the names in a hat, or do you think they actually know everyone that submits to speak and choose the ones that are most qualified, or do you think that they use some other method to pick, like which company spends the most advertising with them each year?

You can't pick good speakers by running a popularity contest.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

and avn hired this guy to be on a panel?

Well, they didn't hire him but someone picked him, but like Gonzo said he was a replacement.

But there were plenty panelists that AVN selected that had no business being there.