Newbie......

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You are a kid. You obviously have no business acumen, ergo you are a newbie.
You have just answered my question.

just ask away immigrant

[softball]

It takes a lot for me to put someone on ignore, but your sheer stupidity has driven me too it. I think it might only be the third time I have ever done this. But you qualified big time. Totally ignorant and really unprofessional posts. I actually don't need this shit in my life. It is a waste of ink. So poof, you be gone.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

It takes a lot for me to put someone on ignore, but your sheer stupidity has driven me too it. I think it might only be the third time I have ever done this. But you qualified big time. Totally ignorant and really unprofessional posts. I actually don't need this shit in my life. It is a waste of ink. So poof, you be gone.

bye-bye now

[Hammer]

Rcourt, no offense, but I don't follow you. You seem to be saying that someone isn't a newbie if they've got time under their belt and money is not a determining factor. That makes no sense, as I've already stated. Five years from now, if you aren't successfully profiting from your adult business ventures but are still posting here on Oprano, I would have to say you were still a newbie.

If you go to the beach and someone teaches you to surf for the first time, you are a newbie and the other surfers will probably make fun of you and laugh at your mistakes, but some of them might take you under their wing and teach you the techinques they know.

Six months from now, if you've surfed every day and applied what the pros had taught you, you might be considered a good surfer. You certainly wouldn't qualify as a great surfer, because greatness could never be achieved in such a short period. At that point you are no longer a newbie, but you're still far from being an expert.

3 years from now, if you've continued to practice and hone your skills and have some natural athletic ability and talent, you may be considered a great surfer and called an expert.

However, if, after 3 years all you can do is sit on the beach and tell newbie surfers how to shoot the curl and cut a wave and sound like an expert, and all those newbies say, "Wow, he really knows his shit," but when you get on the board all you can do is wobble and wave your arms and look like an idiot, you're still a FUCKING NEWBIE!

[softball]

You can't stop the waves, but you can learn to surf.

[Rcourt64]

I'm very successful in my field of the Adult Industry, have been for almost 7 or 8 years now. Allot of my success is due to people like yourself Mighty One, With your professional web mastering skills from your end of the industry.
I realize allot of the newbie term here at The big O is more dedicated to traffic, web mastering and porn movie sponsor. At times you'll find a sticky about a new cam promoting tool or a cartoon webmaster drawing site.
I don't have anything to do with these field of the adult world.
So I'll just keep providing the content, and you just keep promoting it.
And we'll leave the sponsor to continue to be the middleman.
And we'll let it go at that. Deal?

[Hammer]

OK, then a newbie is someone that is brand new to the industry. The rest are either pros or hodads and the vast majority are the latter.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Hammer

However, if, after 3 years all you can do is sit on the beach and tell newbie surfers how to shoot the curl and cut a wave and sound like an expert, and all those newbies say, "Wow, he really knows his shit," but when you get on the board all you can do is wobble and wave your arms and look like an idiot, you're still a FUCKING NEWBIE!

Actually, in the jargon of surfing (going way back) that makes you a HoDad, not a newbie. A HoDad s someone who has been around long enough to know what to do but is still very poor at the execution of it. A Newie would be someone that was new to the sport. A newbie that picks it up pretty quickly is still a newbie.

as in: "Hey, that kid is pretty good for a newbie."

But a newbies still tends to make newbie mistakes, picking the wrong wave sometimes, eating it in a pearl dive, whatever.

In this industry, as in all businesses, there are those that will make it as a business owner, those that will attempt it as a business owner and not make it, those that will always be an employee (and that is not meant as an insult, some people are quite happy not having the responsibility of ownership) and thse that hang around on the fringe.

To make money the qualifier of newbieism is wrong (imho) because of the shit you see every day in this industry. You see brand new newbies that can come in looking like they walk the walk and talk the talk, go to a couple of shows, establish themselves on the boards as a bro and then start ripping people off left and right. Are they making money, hell yes, are they still newbies, hell yes and they are making a big newbie mistake is shitting on the community that welcomed them. Unfortunately in this industry, as in many others (look at hollywood especially) you can do that shit and your only punishment is you have to go buy a fucking camera for someone.

[sarettah]

I lost my train of thought in the middle of that and instead of editing it in I am going to just put it here:

Continuation of this paragraph:
"In this industry, as in all businesses, there are those that will make it as a business owner, those that will attempt it as a business owner and not make it, those that will always be an employee (and that is not meant as an insult, some people are quite happy not having the responsibility of ownership) and thse that hang around on the fringe."

Just because someone is not a successful owner/operator of their own adult online business does not make them a newbie (even though they ain't bringing in the big bucks). There are many employees in this biz who are respected and looked up to, they will probably never be rich, because employees rarely do get rich, although they may make a decent living at it.

There are people that will keep trying and trying and never become succesful owner/operators. That does not mean that they don't know how to build sites or design or write scripts. Usually (imho) the ingredient that is missing there is not knowing how to sell. Sales is a talent, arguably, it is a talent that can be learned but a talent nonetheless. Some people are natural born salesmen, for many it is an uncomfortable position. If you have some capital to work with or if you find the right partner(s) then lack of salesnamship may be overcome. But some never fnd that right combination and so they never hit the success oute. That does not mean they are newbies. They know what to do, they know how to do it, hell, they may even know when to do it (which is often key to make or break of course) but they have never put the pieces all together successfully.