Update to the RayGuhn Case and New Arrests

[MaskTVMaura]

Although I know these guys are in trouble and now have lots of additional bullshit-morality charges being laid upon them, they should have crossed their t's and dotted their i's before shooting anything. They made the following two mistakes:

-they didn't shoot in an area where it's legal to do so (by far the biggest mistake)
-they mixed business with pleasure and instead of putting together a professional style shoot that is legit from start to finish, they decided to mix it in with a party atmosphere and hope for the best

Sure I have sympathy for those guys, but they were lazy, ignorant, and/or fools to try and shoot anything that wasn't completely legit from start to finish. As a producer myself, I know what it takes to ensure every scene is fully compliant with the laws of my jurisdiction before I even book the models. The fact that these guys chose to be less diligent is their problem and they will now face the consequences. Good luck to them all.

Up here in Vancouver where COHF is now shot by a Canadian team, although they still have that "party atmosphere" on set, they are actually shooting where it's LEGAL to do so, so there are no concerns about those kinds of charges being laid upon them. It's all the same shit, just in a LEGAL pile!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

Although I know these guys are in trouble and now have lots of additional bullshit-morality charges being laid upon them, they should have crossed their t's and dotted their i's before shooting anything. They made the following two mistakes:

-they didn't shoot in an area where it's legal to do so (by far the biggest mistake)
-they mixed business with pleasure and instead of putting together a professional style shoot that is legit from start to finish, they decided to mix it in with a party atmosphere and hope for the best

Sure I have sympathy for those guys, but they were lazy, ignorant, and/or fools to try and shoot anything that wasn't completely legit from start to finish. As a producer myself, I know what it takes to ensure every scene is fully compliant with the laws of my jurisdiction before I even book the models. The fact that these guys chose to be less diligent is their problem and they will now face the consequences. Good luck to them all.

Up here in Vancouver where COHF is now shot by a Canadian team, although they still have that "party atmosphere" on set, they are actually shooting where it's LEGAL to do so, so there are no concerns about those kinds of charges being laid upon them. It's all the same shit, just in a LEGAL pile!

Tell those current cocksuckers they need to pay their webmasters.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Tell those current cocksuckers they need to pay their webmasters.

Dish dude. What's up with that? How bad is it?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Dish dude. What's up with that? How bad is it?

Lots of threads on lots of board saing cash titians owes several people money. They are jumping on Jim's dick when he is no longer involved and the site has been sold over a year ago.

[softball]

"The new owner of the company wants to remain anonymous. So he then enlisted the services for Rey Rey and Making Coin to run the program and produce the content."

There does seem to be a lot of dissatisfaction, I see, after doing a little research. Hmmmm

[MaskTVMaura]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Tell those current cocksuckers they need to pay their webmasters.

Yeah, like I have any clout with them! LOL Nah, those of us who do GOOD business tend to flock in one circle, while those that do BAD business flock in another... and even though we're in the same small porno town, we're still worlds apart!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

Yeah, like I have any clout with them! LOL Nah, those of us who do GOOD business tend to flock in one circle, while those that do BAD business flock in another... and even though we're in the same small porno town, we're still worlds apart!

Wasnt your husband supposed to have met Jon to play golf when I was up there a couple of years ago?

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Wasnt your husband supposed to have met Jon to play golf when I was up there a couple of years ago?

Wrong person, G.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Wrong person, G.

My mistake and apologies.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

My mistake and apologies.

I guess your "long memory" is faulty on occasion.

[MaskTVMaura]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Wasnt your husband supposed to have met Jon to play golf when I was up there a couple of years ago?

Hello Gonzo. No worries on the mistaken identity -- unless you mistook me for an asshole! LOL No, I don't believe we've ever met in person.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

-they didn't shoot in an area where it's legal to do so (by far the biggest mistake)!

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

[tony404]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

in other places than CA its gray but common sense should tell you, if where you think about shooting there is no porn to be bought.Thats a bad sign. Miami is considered the porn valley of the east coast. Score, bang bros shoot all the time and nothing happens.

[softball]

Common Sense seems like it was in very short supply. Why pull the tail of the tiger if you don't have to.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by tony404

in other places than CA its gray but common sense should tell you, if where you think about shooting there is no porn to be bought.Thats a bad sign. Miami is considered the porn valley of the east coast. Score, bang bros shoot all the time and nothing happens.

Last time I checked you could buy porn in North Florida, Pensacola in particular. All it takes is a trip to your local convenience store and you can purchase the same exact content you would find on any porn site. Gangbangs, facials, no different than what was on cohf's site. If you drive across town you can find more extreme fetish material at an adult bookstore that would make most blush. That to me throws the community standards argument out the window.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by jimnally

Last time I checked you could buy porn in North Florida, Pensacola in particular. All it takes is a trip to your local convenience store and you can purchase the same exact content you would find on any porn site. Gangbangs, facials, no different than what was on cohf's site. If you drive across town you can find more extreme fetish material at an adult bookstore that would make most blush. That to me throws the community standards argument out the window.

Funny my friend who is from there told me what a very uptight place it is and considering they went after cohf,bang bros is fine and they have been featured all over the media but they are in miami.Makes you think pensacola isnt ideal. The first thing my lawyer said was they weren't busted for porn it was for pissing off the locals.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by tony404

Funny my friend who is from there told me what a very uptight place it is and considering they went after cohf,bang bros is fine and they have been featured all over the media but they are in miami.Makes you think pensacola isnt ideal. The first thing my lawyer said was they weren't busted for porn it was for pissing off the locals.

We have personally walked into several stores and have purchased numerous magazines from Hustler to Cheri. They have it all...If Pensacola is so uptight why do they have a strip club??

[Hammer]

Rhetorical, I'm not sure if you know this or not, but Jim was Ray Ghun's manager, he was not involved with producing the content. I think it's ridiculous that he was arrested in the first place but he's simply the one that is willing to talk publicly about it so he gets the brunt of the 'I told you so's', which really isn't fair.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?

North Florida. Not the best place to shoot porn in Florida.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

My question is..why does it have to be safe in only one or two areas to shoot porn?? That's bullshit, we should have the same right to shoot porn in small town north Florida as we do in Miami. That is why this case is so important we eventually have to stand up and fight for our rights and win the right to shoot wherever or we can just lay down and allow the government to take over and eventually have control over what we watch on tv, the internet and the radio. Wake up guys they are not going to give up their quest for complete censorship. IMO

ally

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

we can only hope

[softball]

Originally Posted by jimnally

we can only hope

Jim, I kind of agree with you. But surely you must have had an inkling that what you were doing was dodgy. I feel for you guys, but you were rockin' and rollin' with no thought to the consequences and were "surprised" when the shit hit the fan. Hell any one of us could have told you you were skating on thin ice. Now reality has kicked you in the balls, which is no surprise, and you want all of us to support your cause and validate all the fun you had. I am sure you are old enough to have read the signs along the way, but found it very convenient to ignore them in pursuit of what? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Jim, I kind of agree with you. But surely you must have had an inkling that what you were doing was dodgy. I feel for you guys, but you were rockin' and rollin' with no thought to the consequences and were "surprised" when the shit hit the fan. Hell any one of us could have told you you were skating on thin ice. Now reality has kicked you in the balls, which is no surprise, and you want all of us to support your cause and validate all the fun you had. I am sure you are old enough to have read the signs along the way, but found it very convenient to ignore them in pursuit of what? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

By the way...this is Ally posting the last couple of rants not Jim... Just thought I needed to clear that up...

[softball]

Originally Posted by jimnally

By the way...this is Ally posting the last couple of rants not Jim... Just thought I needed to clear that up...

Ally? Sorry, you have me at a disadvantage.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Ally? Sorry, you have me at a disadvantage.

really..a disadvantage...I like....

Actually, I am Jim's best half..My other profile here on Oprano is Hipchick. I was at Internext last summer, it seems we did not meet.

[MaskTVMaura]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

Oh, I had no idea that you were specifically trying to challenge the laws when you chose to film outside of the usual porn jurisdictions; I just thought you folks were careless and got caught with your pants down. So, what made you choose gang bangs to protest the laws when you could have tried something a little softer on the mainstream psyche such as solo girl or girl-girl scenes? And also, if you wanted to take on this huge US morality issue, why didn't you get a few more production companies on board with you beforehand?

I do believe that the laws should be changed and that consenting adults should be free to engage in whatever sexual activities they desire, including group sex, prostitution, nude dancing, BDSM, adult film production... and even monogamy if they're really kinky! LOL Although I think you chose a pretty difficult path to challenge US laws, I hope that you achieve your goals in the end. Good luck!

[softball]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

Oh, I had no idea that you were specifically trying to challenge the laws when you chose to film outside of the usual porn jurisdictions; I just thought you folks were careless and got caught with your pants down. So, what made you choose gang bangs to protest the laws when you could have tried something a little softer on the mainstream psyche such as solo girl or girl-girl scenes? And also, if you wanted to take on this huge US morality issue, why didn't you get a few more production companies on board with you beforehand?

I do believe that the laws should be changed and that consenting adults should be free to engage in whatever sexual activities they desire, including group sex, prostitution, nude dancing, BDSM, adult film production... and even monogamy if they're really kinky! LOL Although I think you chose a pretty difficult path to challenge US laws, I hope that you achieve your goals in the end. Good luck!

Maura, they only think they live in a free country. Too many years of propaganda, I think. They actually believe it.