Update to the RayGuhn Case and New Arrests

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I don't know how much you know about the case Greg, but it's hardly the slam dunk you think it is. I agree that the racketeering charges are ludicrous, but when you pay a bunch of girls to have sex with guys that you don't pay, it's pretty hard to call that anything but prostitution and since prostitution in Florida is illegal, they better hope Larry Walters is really worth his lofty price tag.

You should always pay everyone. Even if it is a token dollar. What I want to know, did any girls get paid to have sex with guys at parties, not on tape?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

...What I want to know, did any girls get paid to have sex with guys at parties, not on tape?

Jim already answered that in a reply in another thread. see below...

Originally Posted by jimatcohf

We NEVER used a casting couch, private party, audition for Any model of cohf or any other site we produced.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

Jim already answered that in a reply in another thread. see below...

[/quote]Participants received $300 for private parties that often served as an audition for film roles. [/quote]

I always give industry people the benefit of the doubt. Which I did in their case right from the get go. It was like pulling teeth for anyone to make the statement Jim did and it took months. He seems to have been caught up in a whirlwind created by a bunch of guys who partied till they dropped and made no provision for the consequences.
When I asked Walters after he posted on some board somewhere about this very thing he did not reply. He did however make his case and as such I felt should have answered the question. Jim is pleading legal strategy for his silence. But you can't have it both ways.
It was the continued dodging of this question that aroused my suspicion. I certainly don't support paying girls to party then claiming it is a porn business issue. If these parties are bogus confections of an overzealous prosecutor, then we owe them full support. If not, then I am iffy about the whole thing. BTW, this is not all based on what I have read. I have heard a few stories along the way before this bust.

[softball]

"Why does Larry walters not respond to you well lets think about this for a minute based on your attitude about this I wouldnt give you the time of day either "

And BTW, just because I question the veracity and/or the issues surrounding a case is no reason to accuse me of having some kind of attitude. I addressed the L Walters thing, but I suppose what makes me very suspicious is the downright bad attitude displayed by the participants when asked germane questions. Just because something is printed in the newspaper that you don't agree with does not make it incorrect. I worked in the news business for years and it is always the same old story. A litany of complaints of misunderstanding when an item is shall we say less than flattering. I am being kind here.
So as I said before, I was always quite willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but on second reading of the thread Toby quoted, I am still not convinced.....by either side.

[MaskTVMaura]

Although I know these guys are in trouble and now have lots of additional bullshit-morality charges being laid upon them, they should have crossed their t's and dotted their i's before shooting anything. They made the following two mistakes:

-they didn't shoot in an area where it's legal to do so (by far the biggest mistake)
-they mixed business with pleasure and instead of putting together a professional style shoot that is legit from start to finish, they decided to mix it in with a party atmosphere and hope for the best

Sure I have sympathy for those guys, but they were lazy, ignorant, and/or fools to try and shoot anything that wasn't completely legit from start to finish. As a producer myself, I know what it takes to ensure every scene is fully compliant with the laws of my jurisdiction before I even book the models. The fact that these guys chose to be less diligent is their problem and they will now face the consequences. Good luck to them all.

Up here in Vancouver where COHF is now shot by a Canadian team, although they still have that "party atmosphere" on set, they are actually shooting where it's LEGAL to do so, so there are no concerns about those kinds of charges being laid upon them. It's all the same shit, just in a LEGAL pile!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

Although I know these guys are in trouble and now have lots of additional bullshit-morality charges being laid upon them, they should have crossed their t's and dotted their i's before shooting anything. They made the following two mistakes:

-they didn't shoot in an area where it's legal to do so (by far the biggest mistake)
-they mixed business with pleasure and instead of putting together a professional style shoot that is legit from start to finish, they decided to mix it in with a party atmosphere and hope for the best

Sure I have sympathy for those guys, but they were lazy, ignorant, and/or fools to try and shoot anything that wasn't completely legit from start to finish. As a producer myself, I know what it takes to ensure every scene is fully compliant with the laws of my jurisdiction before I even book the models. The fact that these guys chose to be less diligent is their problem and they will now face the consequences. Good luck to them all.

Up here in Vancouver where COHF is now shot by a Canadian team, although they still have that "party atmosphere" on set, they are actually shooting where it's LEGAL to do so, so there are no concerns about those kinds of charges being laid upon them. It's all the same shit, just in a LEGAL pile!

Tell those current cocksuckers they need to pay their webmasters.

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Tell those current cocksuckers they need to pay their webmasters.

Dish dude. What's up with that? How bad is it?

[MaskTVMaura]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Tell those current cocksuckers they need to pay their webmasters.

Yeah, like I have any clout with them! LOL Nah, those of us who do GOOD business tend to flock in one circle, while those that do BAD business flock in another... and even though we're in the same small porno town, we're still worlds apart!

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by MaskTVMaura

-they didn't shoot in an area where it's legal to do so (by far the biggest mistake)!

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

[tony404]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

in other places than CA its gray but common sense should tell you, if where you think about shooting there is no porn to be bought.Thats a bad sign. Miami is considered the porn valley of the east coast. Score, bang bros shoot all the time and nothing happens.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?

North Florida. Not the best place to shoot porn in Florida.

[jimnally]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

My question is..why does it have to be safe in only one or two areas to shoot porn?? That's bullshit, we should have the same right to shoot porn in small town north Florida as we do in Miami. That is why this case is so important we eventually have to stand up and fight for our rights and win the right to shoot wherever or we can just lay down and allow the government to take over and eventually have control over what we watch on tv, the internet and the radio. Wake up guys they are not going to give up their quest for complete censorship. IMO

ally

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

we can only hope

[MaskTVMaura]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

And that would be......?
Here in the USA, as far as I understand, (And I could be wrong) it has only ever been "adjudicated safe" out there in la la land, southern California. (Until it slides off into the ocean)

Maybe we'll get lucky, and have a safe east coast place after this.....?

Oh, I had no idea that you were specifically trying to challenge the laws when you chose to film outside of the usual porn jurisdictions; I just thought you folks were careless and got caught with your pants down. So, what made you choose gang bangs to protest the laws when you could have tried something a little softer on the mainstream psyche such as solo girl or girl-girl scenes? And also, if you wanted to take on this huge US morality issue, why didn't you get a few more production companies on board with you beforehand?

I do believe that the laws should be changed and that consenting adults should be free to engage in whatever sexual activities they desire, including group sex, prostitution, nude dancing, BDSM, adult film production... and even monogamy if they're really kinky! LOL Although I think you chose a pretty difficult path to challenge US laws, I hope that you achieve your goals in the end. Good luck!