Mike South punks out Joanna Angel

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Originally Posted by Hammer

Joanna is a very unique case and my concern in the newbie seminar was that her comment didn't apply to 99% of the newbies in that room. Suggesting that the average newbie needs to shoot his/her own exclusive content only applies if that newbie cares to be his own producer (most do not), or, as in her case, that newbie is going to be his/her own content (most do not).

IMO, before any newbie starts shooting his own content, especially 3 years worth, it would be a good idea to see if he/she even has what it takes to learn how to generate traffic to an adult site in the first place. Why waste time and money shooting a bunch of exclusive content if you don't know you can sell it?

The smart thing to do would be to promote someone else's sites until you think you understand what you're doing and then, if you want to produce your own content, start shooting it. Of course, that means I disagree pretty much completely, because in most cases I think traffic is far more important than content. I know plenty of webmasters that are making lots of money promoting some pretty shitty sites.

p.s. As for the Mike South comment, I'm going to stay out of that, because I know that Kevin knows what he's doing and I'm sure her site is doing quite well.

That wrestler chick that was in the back of the room might whip your ass for saying that!

All in all Cybernet Expo was very informative and continues to be a month later. Sometimes its not what was said in these seminars that is as important as what you take out of them.

I think we will all agree this isnt a shitty site we are talking about to promote.

[KevinG]

Actually, what I laughed about most was at the show, hearing about all these people coming up to you two guys for the rest of the weekend being mad at you for fighting with Joanna in public. LOL!

Joanna's site is doing well, her overall business is doing well.

Let's not let the latest news get missed, which was in the original thread starting post. She just signed a contract to direct for Club Jenna, which is owned by Playboy.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm impressed.

There's a ton of new stuff in the works beyond that.

JoannaAngel.com is being re-designed this month with an anticipated re-launch for Internext in August.

A new site, Burning Angel Entertainment will coming out in a month or so, with downloadable clips from the DVDs, which have never been available online before.

The original site that kicked off Joanna's business, BurningAngel.com will be re-designed and re-launched in late Summer or early Fall.

Not bad for a 26 year old porn girl running her own business.

[KevinG]

In general, I agree with Hammer.

A newbie would be best advised to work on learning how to run a web site, get traffic to it, and then send that traffic out to money making destinations.

In this specific case though, the context of Joanna's advise was based on someone already deciding they wanted to have a pay site and that they had $100,000 to invest.

Now I have to go generate a gazillion, bazillion, trillion, million hits. Anyone know where I can buy some Chinese traffic?

[Toby]

I was at Cybernet and attended the Newbie 101 and Solo Girl Sites seminars. I think the crux of this whole issue is that Joanna's content comment was given without any preface that it only applied to someone in a similar situation to her own. For the remaining 90%+ it would actually be bad advice.

Making such a statement without first making it quite clear that it only applies under very specific circumstances was just a little bit irresponsible.

[KevinG]

Originally Posted by Toby

I was at Cybernet and attended the Newbie 101 and Solo Girl Sites seminars. I think the crux of this whole issue is that Joanna's content comment was given without any preface that it only applied to someone in a similar situation to her own. For the remaining 90%+ it would actually be bad advice.

Making such a statement without first making it quite clear that it only applies under very specific circumstances was just a little bit irresponsible.

Ok, but please allow me to correct a little detail.

The main comment being discussed here is regarding the content vs. traffic issue. She made that comment while sitting in the audience of the newbie seminar, not while she was on the solo girl panel.

The comment mentioned from the solo girl panel was regarding how many hits her web site gets.

Not that it really matters. I am just a detail oriented person and felt like pointing that out.

Edit: I think you changed your original post to include Newbie 101 while I was typing this. Either that, or I am not as detail oriented as I thought. LOL!