Legal Hassles for one of our own

[softball]

"By requiring a studio we eliminate the most vibrant and real porn our industry can produce and further narrow the field down to the bigger companies with stock 'exclusive content'."


I disagee entirely. What the heck is "real" porn anyway? The goal and the trick is to suspend disbelief. That is how we make our money. Doesn't matter where you do it. People forget we are in the entertainment business first, porn second. When you get the first half right, the second will come easily and you will prosper. That is guaranteed.

[gonzo]

What the heck is "real" porn anyway? The goal and the trick is to suspend disbelief. That is how we make our money. Doesn't matter where you do it. People forget we are in the entertainment business first, porn second. When you get the first half right, the second will come easily and you will prosper. That is guaranteed.

I believe I spotted a

[Forest]

Originally Posted by gonzo

What the heck is "real" porn anyway? The goal and the trick is to suspend disbelief. That is how we make our money. Doesn't matter where you do it. People forget we are in the entertainment business first, porn second. When you get the first half right, the second will come easily and you will prosper. That is guaranteed.

I believe I spotted a

see when he takes his meds he can be quite lucid

LOL

J/K dude

[Hammer]

I think he's just saying that if the only people that produced porn were the ones that could afford a studio, there would be a lot less porn.

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

most dont think that far ahead i believe

I agree with that statement. When i was doing content I know the last thing that was on my mind was what my future kids (if any) might think if they found it

But then agin I dont have kids

[softball]

OK, do you think its going to bother Paris Hilton one little bit that her porn video was one of the most successful ever? I really doubt it.
Personally, I wouldn't run a porn business anywhere near kids. But that is just my opinion and the way I would live had I been a breeder.
However, there are thousands that do it successfully and I wish them no ill will. I think it is their right to earn their living and feed and clothe their kids in whatever way they as parents see fit. (I won't even bother with the whole fucking list of caveats you are expected to post when ever the K word is mentioned, cause we all know that stuff)
Certainly the very last thing the police had a right to do was harrass these poor folks for a by law violation. Personally, I think that is a brilliant civil law suit waiting to happen. And I have a feeling they would slam dunk the local nutbars.

[Jace]

isn't there a pretty notorius couple in porn that took pictures of their child on a talk show and said their daughters real name in the broadcast with the HUGE PICTURE of their daughter on the screen behind them....all the while the show was about parents in porn, and they were on their as "porn stars"

yeah, those are great parents

oh...wait...they run a big site about parents in the adult industry....wonder what site that could be

fuck idiot scammers

i even think gonzo still has that banner up above....yup, there is it

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jace

isn't there a pretty notorius couple in porn that took pictures of their child on a talk show and said their daughters real name in the broadcast with the HUGE PICTURE of their daughter on the screen behind them....all the while the show was about parents in porn, and they were on their as "porn stars"

yeah, those are great parents

oh...wait...they run a big site about parents in the adult industry....wonder what site that could be

fuck idiot scammers

i even think gonzo still has that banner up above....yup, there is it

Yep, I think that's fucked up. It's no wonder they don't get a lot of support. If their daughter grows up to be a porn star, I'm sure they'll be very proud but if she doesn't, I wonder how proud she'll be of them.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Yep, I think that's fucked up. It's no wonder they don't get a lot of support. If their daughter grows up to be a porn star, I'm sure they'll be very proud but if she doesn't, I wonder how proud she'll be of them.

hahaha

found it

http://larryelder.warnerbros.com/vid...new.html?=1111

[Hammer]

I'm sure Paris Hilton doesn't care right now, but then she's not too bright anyway and still young so I don't think she's the best role model to use. I'm pretty sure that some day, if she does step into the Hilton Hotel business with her father, she'll wish she'd kept her sex life private. Even it she goes through life leaching off of her parents money, at some point she may get married and have kids and then she might not be so proud of her exploits either.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I think he's just saying that if the only people that produced porn were the ones that could afford a studio, there would be a lot less porn.

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

call me old fashioned, but I share your view for the most part

hell, I am worried about my niece and nephews finding out my "fucking" past, much less if I had kids

[UncutBucksMike]

The possible violation that they used to get the search warrant was for a zoning violation (which we have still not been charged with to my knowledge). I have since gone back and read the zoning code and it was clearly written to address "retail" adult businesses like adult bookstores, movie theaters and strip clubs. There using it on us was a stretch at best. I have since found out that similar language is popping up in zoning ordinances in many cities across the country. So, even had I not produced or appeared in any of the content, but (under the interpretation they used in our case) merely ran an enterprise that produced most of its revenue from "adult" activities from my home, I would be in violation. They specifically ban from zoning anywhere in the county adult business from being in any of the zoning they have control over. It requires that you be in an area zoned for this type activity and they have no such areas zoned and won't permit them. So even if I was submitting TGP's from my home office and made money from it, "knock knock...Police".

Originally Posted by Hammer

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

Wow, interesting opinion. By that logic, appearing in "porn" means you should never have children. Is it just hardcore, or is softcore OK? Other kids might taunt you if they saw your mommies tits too. Hell they could give you a hard time if she wears skimpy bikinis and is on a website. If the other kids in the neighborhood found out that you have anything to do with the porn industry, content or not, your kids might be subjected to some issues. As Jace pointed out he is somewhat concerned about nieces and nephews. This kind of logic puts you on a slippery slope of doing thing to protect someone else's children from possible "harm" that they may eventually suffer.

Toby is right, some of us don't make a ton of money doing this, but we make enough to allow us to stay home and be there for our kids. As a matter of fact I used to be on the road 20 days a month and Jen ran a business all day, and we never were really there the way we should be for our kids. The studio idea could work in some scenarios. It would not have in Ky, because that studio would also have been excluded by the zoning ordinances. In other areas I have found that it needs to be in an area zoned industrial and needs special licenses, in others it must be so many feet from any residential zoned area and so many feet from any school, playground, place of worship, etc.

Zoning has a much more chilling affect on amateur content, than I initially realized. If you couple that with 2257 requirements that basically require you to publish your "primary place of business address", it doesn't take a genius to start some quite interesting witch hunts.

Thanks,
Mike

[Toby]

Hi Mike,

I was just thinking of you this morning, wondering how you and Jen were doing.

I have a simple solution for the zoning issue. Move to Houston. There are absolutely no zoning laws here.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I think he's just saying that if the only people that produced porn were the ones that could afford a studio, there would be a lot less porn.

Then, personally, I don't think people with kids have any business starring in porn, but that's just my opinion. It's one thing to work in the business and quite another to be the content. What happens when the kids grow up and their friends show them their mom's porn site? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I'd ever seen pics or videos of my mom having sex... well, I don't even want to think about it.

Even if the family is open with their kids about sex and it doesn't really shock the kids that much to find out, what do they do when their friends at school, who will find it much more amusing and far less normal, start taunting them?

Tell me something man? if ya was a payed hit man, and you went out everyday and took care of a few contracts, like it was nothing. Then went home to your wife and kids and a bucket of maybe some KFC chicken.
it's all good? right? as long has ya didn't kill anyone in the house near the kids, right?

This is a American creation of thought, we grew up in generations that are taught pornography is wrong and is bad.
Even Pete the Porno Puppet tells are youths
"Say noo to pornaaaaaaaaaaaaagraphy"

As if pornaaaagraphy was like saying nooo to drugs "fuckin' retards"

Sex is not a sin theres nothing illegal about it, it just needs to be controlled like everything else in this country, Because Americans can't seem to learn to control things of mental or physical pleasure for them selfs, they need big brother to tell them "how much is enough!" and when to say say "no!"

Americans don't think for them selfs anymore, they have a government that does it for them now, Oh ya that reminds me...

...Happy 4th My fellow Gringos

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

...Happy 4th My fellow Gringos

feliz cuarto señor

[tony404]

I dont think if you have kids you should be operating a porn business in the house.If your not making enough money to afford an office,then find another line of work.Offices are also dirt cheap and offer so much protection.I pay $285 a month for mine and that includes high speed,its not fancy but it does the job.

They are going to start 2257 checks outside of CA in august it looks like.They show up and say the local police decide to join them for the ride which they can do according to the regs.They see kids there,the kids are going.
Now Im not talking about affiliates, im talking about producing porn.
The zoning thing in this case is bullshit, adult zoning doesnt come into play unless you have customers coming in to your place of business like a video store.

The sad thing is if they were in Lexington this probably wouldn't of happened.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by tony404

They are going to start 2257 checks outside of CA in august it looks like.

Yes, I read that too. And I also read where they'll be sticking to inspecting video production companies in order to avoid checking info for the same model more than once.

Personally, I think any inspections of "the little guys" are a long way off yet, if ever.

My point being that the local Gestapo are still the ones to avoid. The odds of the Fed's showing up is extremely slim.

I think the lessons to be learned here, if not able to have an outside the home office/studio, is to be extremely discreet about giving out any personal information. Never use your home address for anything site related. Get a postal box for all snail mail correspondence. Also, a convincing cover story for the neighbors about what you do for a living is a must, as well as a plan for how to deal with any that do find your site on their own.

Just my 12½¢ worth.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Toby

Yes, I read that too. And I also read where they'll be sticking to inspecting video production companies in order to avoid checking info for the same model more than once.

Personally, I think any inspections of "the little guys" are a long way off yet, if ever.

My point being that the local Gestapo are still the ones to avoid. The odds of the Fed's showing up is extremely slim.

I think the lessons to be learned here, if not able to have an outside the home office/studio, is to be extremely discreet about giving out any personal information. Never use your home address for anything site related. Get a postal box for all snail mail correspondence. Also, a convincing cover story for the neighbors about what you do for a living is a must, as well as a plan for how to deal with any that do find your site on their own.

Just my 12½¢ worth.

what do you think about domain name privacy protection? do u think its worth the extra money?

[UncutBucksMike]

Originally Posted by tony404

The zoning thing in this case is bullshit, adult zoning doesnt come into play unless you have customers coming in to your place of business like a video store.

Maybe in your mind it doesn't come into play, but obviously in the mind of the Ft. Mitchell police and a Kenton county judge it does. That is exactly what the warrant was issued based on! And based on the fact that they can interpret it to apply to a website, they could easily extend that to an affiliate posting the same content on his/her website. The zoning is not about producing it is about "distributing" and making money directly or indirectly (under their interpretation).

Mike

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by tony404

They are going to start 2257 checks outside of CA in august it looks like.The zoning thing in this case is bullshit, adult zoning doesnt come into play unless you have customers coming in to your place of business like a video store.

They ARE doing checks outside CA
They did one here in PA earlier this year. I talked to the guy, and there was a story in AVNOnline, a very fine publication.