Legal Hassles for one of our own

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by UncutBucksMike

I love when people jump to conclusions, in the absence of facts.

Did you see me jump to a conclusion? I asked a question. If I was jumping to a conclusion I wouldn't have started by saying, "Were they producing the porn while their kids were in the house?"

And in case you thought otherwise, when I said, "What a moron", I was referring to the moron that paid 8 grand in advance for cam shows.

Thanks for the welcome back Spaz, but I disagree. There's a big difference between me having sex with my wife quietly in our room while our kids are asleep and someone producing sex videos or cam shows, especially if they're bringing in other people.

Of course, that's just my opinion too.

If they were indeed shooting while their kids were in school or other places, then I have no problem with that. Then again, we all know there are places where it's legal to produce porn and other than south Florida, where it's sort of overlooked, the only place where it's technically legal, is L.A. county California. Shooting porn elsewhere is a risky business and not just because of zoning laws. When you shoot in a house where children live, then you're just asking for trouble.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Thanks for the welcome back Spaz, but I disagree. There's a big difference between me having sex with my wife quietly in our room while our kids are asleep and someone producing sex videos or cam shows, especially if they're bringing in other people.

There is a HUGE difference

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Forest

There is a HUGE difference

This plays kind of into the Jim Manley case as well. Which I am sure Hammer knows about as well as I do.

As an aside I heve neer shot or even worked on an adult website when there were children in this house. But I can see how soeone could use that to the local police to make someone s life a living hell.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by gonzo

This plays kind of into the Jim Manley case as well. Which I am sure Hammer knows about as well as I do.

As an aside I heve neer shot or even worked on an adult website when there were children in this house. But I can see how soeone could use that to the local police to make someone s life a living hell.

Its not just about doing it while the children are in the house. In the laws eyes running an adult enterprise from a home where there are children present at any time is not a good idea. And in this case it seems to be a zonning issue. I know for a fact that zoning becomes an issue when running a LIVE operation from a home. Running paysites is one thing but doing live shows and or filming sexual acts in a non zoned area while get u in trouble.

2cents

[MaskTVMaura]

What a sticky mess! Good luck, Mike!

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Thanks for the welcome back Spaz, but I disagree. There's a big difference between me having sex with my wife quietly in our room while our kids are asleep and someone producing sex videos or cam shows, especially if they're bringing in other people.

Of course, that's just my opinion too.

Yup, that's what makes these forums we like so much work.. people having differing opinion and in Oprano's case we can disagree without screaming and name calling and no one ends up in the corner sucking their thumbs heh heh


spaz

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

Yup, that's what makes these forums we like so much work.. people having differing opinion and in Oprano's case we can disagree without screaming and name calling and no one ends up in the corner sucking their thumbs heh heh


spaz

Hell I disagree with Hammer a lot oveer th years. Doesnt stop us from being firends. I prefer to call it debate. And this is a hot topic.

You have to admire Mike and Jen's persistance to stay in this business.
I know I do.

[Forest]

ya know running a porn biz from a home where children are is not like selling mary kay shit out of your house.

we are held to a different standard due the the nature of our content and I have to say I agree with some of it

In today's porn world if u cant afford a 500 a month office to do your work in and u have children get ready to have some major issues.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Forest

ya know running a porn biz from a home where children are is not like selling mary kay shit out of your house.

we are held to a different standard due the the nature of our content and I have to say I agree with some of it

In today's porn world if u cant afford a 500 a month office to do your work in and u have children get ready to have some major issues.

You've left off a few things. There's more needed than just a $500 office. That office will also have to be a studio, complete with assorted furnishings to make it look like a room in a home, not like a sterile photo studio. In order to have more than one "set" you're very quickly getting into an office much larger than you can get for $500 a month, and a considerable cash outlay for furnishings.

A great deal of the charm and appeal of true independent amateur sites is the fact that the surfer/member is getting a look into the "real life" of the girl.

Independent amateur sites are where I started in this biz back in the late 90's, so I've gotten to know quite a few of them. Many are also swingers, most have kids, and I'd estimate that maybe 1 in 100 have an office and/or studio outside of their home.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

You've left off a few things. There's more needed than just a $500 office. That office will also have to be a studio, complete with assorted furnishings to make it look like a room in a home, not like a sterile photo studio. In order to have more than one "set" you're very quickly getting into an office much larger than you can get for $500 a month, and a considerable cash outlay for furnishings.

A great deal of the charm and appeal of true independent amateur sites is the fact that the surfer/member is getting a look into the "real life" of the girl.

Independent amateur sites are where I started in this biz back in the late 90's, so I've gotten to know quite a few of them. Many are also swingers, most have kids, and I'd estimate that maybe 1 in 100 have an office and/or studio outside of their home.

Running a studio costs about two grand a month. I had a studio for years, so I have a good idea of what it takes to keep it alive. One thing I will say, Toby is that a "studio" can also be a three bedroom apartment downtown with the anonymity that that brings and you are not in a kid type neighbourhood. That also works well because it looks like a residence. It costs a bit to furnish it, but hey, they are just props and can be picked up from yard sales and salvation army stores.
Having said all that, I know rent locations and that gives me the flexibility of having different looks. Costs less, but surprisingly not a lot less, but it does keep things kind of fresh.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

...One thing I will say, Toby is that a "studio" can also be a three bedroom apartment downtown with the anonymity that that brings and you are not in a kid type neighbourhood...

Still too costly for most independent amateurs. With a few notable exceptions, these sites simply aren't generating that kind of income. They're making far more than they could in alot of other jobs, but they're not getting rich. Those days are long gone.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Running a studio costs about two grand a month. I had a studio for years, so I have a good idea of what it takes to keep it alive. One thing I will say, Toby is that a "studio" can also be a three bedroom apartment downtown with the anonymity that that brings and you are not in a kid type neighbourhood. That also works well because it looks like a residence. It costs a bit to furnish it, but hey, they are just props and can be picked up from yard sales and salvation army stores.
Having said all that, I know rent locations and that gives me the flexibility of having different looks. Costs less, but surprisingly not a lot less, but it does keep things kind of fresh.

a "studio" can also be a one bedroom apt with a living room kitchen dining room bathroom and BAM u have 4 different sets to shoot in. I did it that was my second and 3rd studios

Change the bg a bit with a few diff pictures different bed spread lampo and BAM u have another set

Im sure u can get a 1 bdrm apt in middle america for under 650 a month.

Go to salvation army and get great stuff for your sets. I did. I started my first cam studio for less then 1500 in sets and equip .

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Toby

You've left off a few things. There's more needed than just a $500 office. That office will also have to be a studio, complete with assorted furnishings to make it look like a room in a home, not like a sterile photo studio. In order to have more than one "set" you're very quickly getting into an office much larger than you can get for $500 a month, and a considerable cash outlay for furnishings.

A great deal of the charm and appeal of true independent amateur sites is the fact that the surfer/member is getting a look into the "real life" of the girl.

Independent amateur sites are where I started in this biz back in the late 90's, so I've gotten to know quite a few of them. Many are also swingers, most have kids, and I'd estimate that maybe 1 in 100 have an office and/or studio outside of their home.

hmm thats odd I could have sworn i started my first cam studio at a 350 a month office and a internet connection with 3 different sets in the office.

Granted that was 99 and rents may have been a bit cheaper but none the less if I could do it any idiot can do it

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Hell I disagree with Hammer a lot oveer th years. Doesnt stop us from being firends.

A lot?

I disagree.

[Hammer]

There is one logical solution to renting an office or an apartment.

Use your friends homes when they aren't home. Just be sure to clean up before you leave so they don't know. That includes washing the sheets, if you're a good friend.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

There is one logical solution to renting an office or an apartment.

Use your friends homes when they aren't home. Just be sure to clean up before you leave so they don't know. That includes washing the sheets, if you're a good friend.

what if your friends like cummy sheets?

could be a second addon site down the road

fuck in the bed

then film them fucking in your fucking slime

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

A lot?

I disagree.

I always said you can be stubborn too.

Its ok we are too older dudes making gangster hand signs trying to look younger.

HAHAHAHAHAH

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I always said you can be stubborn too.

Its ok we are too older dudes making gangster ahnd signs trying to look younger.

HAHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, but the teen babes sure go for the shocker. At least I don't have a Grecian Formula bill that's as high as my car payment, like another 'older' guy I'm thinking of.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Yeah, but the teen babes sure go for the shocker. At least my Grecian Formula bill isn't as high as my car payment, like another 'older' guy I'm thinking of.

If I wanted to look 10 years younger Id just go clean cut.

Wait a sec.... I did 6 months ago.

[softball]

"By requiring a studio we eliminate the most vibrant and real porn our industry can produce and further narrow the field down to the bigger companies with stock 'exclusive content'."


I disagee entirely. What the heck is "real" porn anyway? The goal and the trick is to suspend disbelief. That is how we make our money. Doesn't matter where you do it. People forget we are in the entertainment business first, porn second. When you get the first half right, the second will come easily and you will prosper. That is guaranteed.