Don't blame the newbies! Your thoughts?

[Forest]

i have to agree with the original post

free post has killed thr golden goose

but i dont see any way to get rid of free porn with big tgps being worth as much as they are

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Forest

i have to agree with the original post

free post has killed thr golden goose

but i dont see any way to get rid of free porn with big tgps being worth as much as they are

TGPs are yesterdays news.

[Jace]

tgp's are devaluing in size and price every day

in the past week alone I have had 3 HUGE tgp guys come to me and talk about how they are needing to diversify because tgp sales and traffic keep spiraling down

these aren't your newbie submitters either, these are guys that spend upwards of $2k a week on spots

[SabrinaDeep]

This is so far the best thread i have ever read in any forums. And thumbs up to you guys for your out of the chorus and straight to the point statements.

Free content is definetely and obviously a problem. Unfortunately, few sponsors would have the courage to do something about it. I might be one of those cutting free content very soon, but this is another matter. Not here to talk about me.

But i would like to add my silly contribution to the discussion, if you don't mind. Given that the amount of free content around is a huge problem, i would not underestimate something that in my opinion is a bigger problem: free downloadable content.

Since we are all aware of the fact that it is practically impossible to go backwords to the times when free content was limited, i think that we could well do something about not making it downloadable. You can see a pic or a video at that website, but you cannot download it. If you want to download it, you pay a little fee for each piece you download, like you do on legit mp3 sites. This wouldn' t cut off the torrents, the cheaters and stuff of course, but if the big TGPs, the sponsors, the NATS and CCBills would start adopting this trend, i am sure that there would be much more money for everybody by the day. And it would be very very easy to implement, with no crazy investment for rethinking the system. Two lines of code on each web page with free content and a buy-it-now button on the big picture or video page for the pages where the content is and a new payment option for buying a 10 cents pic or a 20 cents promo video by the payment processors.

Maybe i just woke up hangover, but i think that this could be a good medication, althought not the cure for sure.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by SabrinaDeep

This is so far the best thread i have ever read in any forums. And thumbs up to you guys for your out of the chorus and straight to the point statements.

Free content is definetely and obviously a problem. Unfortunately, few sponsors would have the courage to do something about it. I might be one of those cutting free content very soon, but this is another matter. Not here to talk about me.

But i would like to add my silly contribution to the discussion, if you don't mind. Given that the amount of free content around is a huge problem, i would not underestimate something that in my opinion is a bigger problem: free downloadable content.

Since we are all aware of the fact that it is practically impossible to go backwords to the times when free content was limited, i think that we could well do something about not making it downloadable. You can see a pic or a video at that website, but you cannot download it. If you want to download it, you pay a little fee for each piece you download, like you do on legit mp3 sites. This wouldn' t cut off the torrents, the cheaters and stuff of course, but if the big TGPs, the sponsors, the NATS and CCBills would start adopting this trend, i am sure that there would be much more money for everybody by the day. And it would be very very easy to implement, with no crazy investment for rethinking the system. Two lines of code on each web page with free content and a buy-it-now button on the big picture or video page for the pages where the content is and a new payment option for buying a 10 cents pic or a 20 cents promo video by the payment processors.

Maybe i just woke up hangover, but i think that this could be a good medication, althought not the cure for sure.

Sabrina. If you have content on the web and they want to download it they will find a way to steal it. Spiders, scrapers etc. Ive heard many Russian surfers state if its on the web then its meant to be stolen.

The "tokens" or micro transaction idea has been tested several times over not done very well.

[Hell Puppy]

There's a simple truth that has always applied going back as far as electronic commerce of any form has been around...and even applied to other things such as copy protection on CD's.

You CANT force anyone to buy anything. If someone is hell bent on not paying, they'll either steal it or do without. Never will you hear them say "oh, ok, you got me, your copy protection rules, here's my money!". Just doesn't happen...or if it does, it's a tiny percentage.

It seems everytime we have a new form of media we have to go thru this learning curve. Companies get their panties in a twist because someone is getting some for free. Then they slap copy protection and other things on it which does nothing but piss off the people who are actually paying money for it.

Spend your time giving your paying customers what they want instead of feuding with people who'll never pay you a dime. And never do anything to fight the thieves that is at the expense of costing you paying customers. It'll all work out in the end.

There's a balance you have to strike to not be robbed blind, but also not
hinder your paying customers.

[SabrinaDeep]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

There's a simple truth that has always applied going back as far as electronic commerce of any form has been around...and even applied to other things such as copy protection on CD's.

You CANT force anyone to buy anything. If someone is hell bent on not paying, they'll either steal it or do without. Never will you hear them say "oh, ok, you got me, your copy protection rules, here's my money!". Just doesn't happen...or if it does, it's a tiny percentage.

It seems everytime we have a new form of media we have to go thru this learning curve. Companies get their panties in a twist because someone is getting some for free. Then they slap copy protection and other things on it which does nothing but piss off the people who are actually paying money for it.

Spend your time giving your paying customers what they want instead of feuding with people who'll never pay you a dime. And never do anything to fight the thieves that is at the expense of costing you paying customers. It'll all work out in the end.

There's a balance you have to strike to not be robbed blind, but also not
hinder your paying customers.

Hell, forgive me, but you cannot compare a mainstream CD or DVD with online porn. I can find the complete content of Raven Riley's members area for free, today and her only revenue come exactly from that content. There must be something wrong when you have free access to the car park of a car dealer and the keys are inserted in the lock. I was reading of someone complaining about the raising monthly membership prices: wouldn't you raise the price of your cars if you bought and paid for 20 of them and 18 went stolen? Wouldn't you try to compensate your loss trying to sell the two cars left for a higher price? Don't you think that giving away less free content, we could lower the prices, having more customers and therefore making more money? We make the market, not the users. If we are unhappy, it's just our fault. If you don't like it, change it! My 2 cents

[SabrinaDeep]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Sabrina. If you have content on the web and they want to download it they will find a way to steal it. Spiders, scrapers etc. Ive heard many Russian surfers state if its on the web then its meant to be stolen.

The "tokens" or micro transaction idea has been tested several times over not done very well.

I obvuiously did not know about the tokens....i'm a newby at the end of the day eheheh. But about stealing i partially disagree with you. Yes, people will always steal. But inviting the robber to steal is worse, isn't it? You can lock free content from being downloaded and given the average skills of the average surfer, you are going to cut a lot of stealing and free circulation of the free material. The technology for blocking users from downloading free pictures and just let them watch the pics is there. I understand that it's hard to start doing something, but we can! And if we don't, threads like this one will be more and more frequent. I have nothing to teach to anybody and yes, once again i'm a newby in the sponsors world; but i'm not so stupid to not understand that something went wrong in the porn industry online. It's against any marketing rule to offer 100$ per signup on a 29$ signup that you don't know if it's gonna be rebilled. Cross selling...fair enough...and after that? It's like supermarkets saga...they screwed all the small shops, they have screwed the genuinity of the groceries. You get bigger, greener, shinier apples, but do they tast as good? Nope. The clients start feeling uncomfortable about supermarkets, but they have got so much power that it is hard to get rid of them in favour of small, local shops again. That might work (but i'm not sure for how longer) with food, because you need to eat, but about porn? Are we sure that if we don't start doing something for giving genuinity back to users and top protect ourself at the same time, they are not gonna leave us totally down, one day? I think that the big problem with the porn industry today is to pretend to do thing because that's what consumers want, while in any other mainstream industry it is the industry making the rules and convincing the consumer that the product is good. think of McDonald, just to make a stupid example. Consumers want free content because we gave it to them. And yes, if you give me a free can of coke, i don't need to go and buy it, do i? We should start auto*-regulating ourself, instead of tring to screw each other. But i'm just dreaming for sure.

Well, if you read all that you must be really pissed tonight ahahah.

Love and biz prosperity to everybody!