Feminist looks to put Joe Francis out of Biz

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Now with all that said, regarding the topic at hand.... I'd say I've had an equal amount of pain from models over 21 as those under 21. And we've shot more over 21's than we have under's.

We always do 100% disclosure before we take the first pic. It can almost seem like we're trying to talk them out of it. We intentionally try to make them think about things like what happens when your family and friends find the pics? We also point out the internet is forever, years down the road you may be married with a kid and someone finds it. Or you graduate school and an employer finds the pics from years earlier.

We've been around and shooting long enough that all of those scenarios have come to be.

The unfortunate reality is regardless of age, the models aren't seeing past that quick buck for a few hours work. They'll listen, they'll say they understand, but they'll take the chance. And they often come back whining when it happens.

I'm curious. Do you record the entire explanation process as a protection measure? Even though the contract offers good protection I would think having that explanation on tape would be a real nice addition to make your protection that much stronger.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

I'm curious. Do you record the entire explanation process as a protection measure? Even though the contract offers good protection I would think having that explanation on tape would be a real nice addition to make your protection that much stronger.

Not the very first meeting, that's almost always someplace public where the model feels very comfortable, typically Starbucks or similar. Tape would likely creep 'em out and at that point it's not an agreement, it's just a discussion.

If it goes beyond that, next meeting is typically first shoot and prefaced by all of the legal documentation being taken care of. At that point we go over the entire contract and again set expectations and full disclosure before the first shot is snapped.

That conversation is definitely on tape. We always have one video camera running a security tape at all times we're with a model. That way there's a complete record of everything said, done, the conditions of the environment, etc. It can never be said anyone was forced or coerced into anything. It's always 100% professional.

[TheEnforcer]

Thanks for the reply. Nice to see such measure being taken.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Thanks for the reply. Nice to see such measure being taken.

Unfortunately we're the exception not the rule I suspect.

Any girl who is not a first timer typically requires a bit of "rehab" to regain their trust. There's some real dirt bags working places like OMP, and the girls chase the dollar without applying a lot of common sense.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Unfortunately we're the exception not the rule I suspect.

Any girl who is not a first timer typically requires a bit of "rehab" to regain their trust. There's some real dirt bags working places like OMP, and the girls chase the dollar without applying a lot of common sense.

Like the Meth Head that hung out on GFY that told the one shed make 4K a week.

Didnt have a car or a camera . . . but he had a phone with GPS.

Wonder how that career is working out in the Coast Guard?

Lets not forget the models themselves that cant show up on time due to not having a car, being out all night drugging and boozing that cant evem be bothered to do a blog entry in 6 months.

This one was "brainwashed" into thinking there was a high and mighty career with clips4sale.

So heres the deal . . . you look like shit when your up boozing and drugging all night before the shoot. A photographer like Earl Miller cant keep you from looking like a scarecrow when you show up for a shoot 6 hours late.