Shitty Assed Sponsors

[softball]

"Hogwash rhetorical, Its not my job to do the sale, all I feel my responsibility is to bring the customer into the Candy Store, and at times even go as far as to show what flavors are available. if the Candy looks yummy, but taste like shit is not my fault."

But bringing in customers who don't eat candy won't make a sale. You do that and you are a bad salesman. After all we are all first and foremost salesmen.

"Bringing the right traffic to the sponsor's door will guarantee good sales. If the sponsor is any good, he is already selling his product. I would assume that is why the aff signs up for his programme in the first place. Bad traffic = bad sales.
would you emphasize more on this?"

See my first point. If you bring a bunch of bbw traffic to an anorexic site, then you won't convert (extreme example for illustration). If you bring a fattie lover traffic to a bbw site, you will make money. I think this is a pretty simple concept.
It is your job as an affiliate to make sales. If you can't do this, find another line of work.
When a sponsor gives you fhg and all the tools to sell and you still can't make a sale, then perhaps you might consider something your talents are more suited to.

[TheEnforcer]

Filter! Filter! Filter!

Rhetorical is dead on.. so is Gonzo and others who have posted. If you send shitty traffic to a sponsor then you'll get shitty results. Now, if you send good targeted traffic to a sponsor and it's not selling THEN you can talk about what a shitty job the sponsor is doing.

So let's say I am sending traffic to a great sponsor like http://www.juggcash.com and sending it to a damn good converting site like http://tour.bustyandreal.com/t1/ that is converting like hotcakes but for some dumb reason I wanna try another sponsor there and swap out Mr Billy Bobs Natural Big Boobs site and my sales plummet. THEN I can legitimately gripe about the sponsor as I went from mad sales with the Jugg Cash site to shitty sales with Mr Billy Bob's site.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Filter! Filter! Filter!

Rhetorical is dead on.. so is Gonzo and others who have posted. If you send shitty traffic to a sponsor then you'll get shitty results. Now, if you send good targeted traffic to a sponsor and it's not selling THEN you can talk about what a shitty job the sponsor is doing.

So let's say I am sending traffic to a great sponsor like http://www.juggcash.com and sending it to a damn good converting site like http://tour.bustyandreal.com/t1/ that is converting like hotcakes but for some dumb reason I wanna try another sponsor there and swap out Mr Billy Bobs Natural Big Boobs site and my sales plummet. THEN I can legitimately gripe about the sponsor as I went from mad sales with the Jugg Cash site to shitty sales with Mr Billy Bob's site.

ok I agree, But This high converting hotcakes site? How did it get this way? to be able to watch sales drop, there has to be some.
I remember a cam sponsor I am promoting and sales went off like crazy make a few bucks with them, And all of a sudden 'puff' cold turkey dead stop on sales? and its been that way for months now, the reason I originally obtained the sales was because it was traffic I create. Nothing bought or traded. Then when I began to seek traffic threw other means and sources is when is when the sales died. I filter, filter, filter, But it's still hard, and I can't figure it out.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

ok I agree, But This high converting hotcakes site? How did it get this way? to be able to watch sales drop, there has to be some.
I remember a cam sponsor I am promoting and sales went off like crazy make a few bucks with them, And all of a sudden 'puff' cold turkey dead stop on sales? and its been that way for months now, the reason I originally obtained the sales was because it was traffic I create. Nothing bought or traded. Then when I began to seek traffic threw other means and sources is when is when the sales died. I filter, filter, filter, But it's still hard, and I can't figure it out.

Got me on that one. However, sometimes sponsors can suffer like any other business. There may be some stiff new competition that is hurting sales. Any number of reasons. I think if a sponsor doesn't work for you, then move on to some place that does.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Got me on that one. However, sometimes sponsors can suffer like any other business. There may be some stiff new competition that is hurting sales. Any number of reasons. I think if a sponsor doesn't work for you, then move on to some place that does.

Well Dang Man, This can go either way? Where does one find the difference between which is the one to switch? Who do u blame when sales drop?
is it the traffic that ones bringing in? or is it the sponsor that went to shit?
Dude? I don't shit money to be able to continue experimenting like that? lol
I mean it takes money to make money, but limits have to be set. and another thing is when dealing with sponsors is which way to go? sales suck in revshare but it suppose to be the long time investment idea? or the webmaster that likes the ppc concept cause he knows the sites gonna be trash in a year anyway?

Sales in porn? are you still generating them? I hear people who have pages with PR7 and show shit sales according to them.
http://www.cozycampus.com/theforum/s...threadid=24739

I dunno rhetorical but I believe maybe there is no more porn to sell on the Internet, not with all the free content the sponsor offer and how easy it is to obtain a affiliate membership now. All I need is a free hosted url and know how to cut copy and paste, and away one goes with tons of free porn content. I recently discovered this site which offers hardlink trades, And I was astonished at some of the pages people offer to trade with, I'm talking PR 3, 4 and 5's and they look like garbage ass linked bannered nasty looking pages. I want understood here, I use PR loosely cause its whats popular now in showing examples. Alexis would be a better example. But I just wanted to demonstrate how porn is not much for sale anymore.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Rcourt64

Well Dang Man, This can go either way? Where does one find the difference between which is the one to switch? Who do u blame when sales drop?
is it the traffic that ones bringing in? or is it the sponsor that went to shit?
Dude? I don't shit money to be able to continue experimenting like that? lol
I mean it takes money to make money, but limits have to be set. and another thing is when dealing with sponsors is which way to go? sales suck in revshare but it suppose to be the long time investment idea? or the webmaster that likes the ppc concept cause he knows the sites gonna be trash in a year anyway?

Sales in porn? are you still generating them? I hear people who have pages with PR7 and show shit sales according to them.
http://www.cozycampus.com/theforum/s...threadid=24739

I dunno rhetorical but I believe maybe there is no more porn to sell on the Internet, not with all the free content the sponsor offer and how easy it is to obtain a affiliate membership now. All I need is a free hosted url and know how to cut copy and paste, and away one goes with tons of free porn content. I recently discovered this site which offers hardlink trades, And I was astonished at some of the pages people offer to trade with, I'm talking PR 3, 4 and 5's and they look like garbage ass linked bannered nasty looking pages. I want understood here, I use PR loosely cause its whats popular now in showing examples. Alexis would be a better example. But I just wanted to demonstrate how porn is not much for sale anymore.

I think there is still lots of porn to sell. There was a scientist, quite a learned fellow, in the 19th Century that claimed that all scientific discoveries had been made. We knew it all. Well obviously he was well wrong. There is still lots of porn to sell. Admittedly it is a tough market with all the free stuff floating around. But there is still a large fan base that doesn't mind paying and doesn't want to spend all his time scrounging for free stuff. Those are our customers. Find them, and you have the Holy Grail of porn.
As for the PR and Alexa, they can be taken with a grain of salt. I do find Alexa useful for evaluating free sites like this board, for instance, but shite for pay sites.

[Jace]

*checks statsremote all time tab*

RealSexCash.com - 0:6314

[Robert]

"Hogwash rhetorical, Its not my job to do the sale..."

Huh? Of course it is.

"Put thats the secret to being a good salesman isn't it? to convince the customer that even though he came in looking for chocolate, vanilla is better."

If they're looking for chocolate, sell them chocolate. If they like it, they'll keep coming back to you for more chocolate. Just make all the selections readily available, chocolate, vanilla, etc. You don't need to convince them they're looking for something you want to sell, just make it easy and convenient for them to find what it is they want to buy.

"...it may be my responsibility to presell the site but its the sponsors site to make sure they retain."

Yes.

Just my 2 pennies.

[Rcourt64]

But bringing in customers who don't eat candy won't make a sale. You do that and you are a bad salesman. After all we are all first and foremost salesmen.

Put thats the secret to being a good salesman isn't it? to convince the customer that even though he came in looking for chocolate, vanilla is better. This is hard to do, you talk traffic, I believe this has to be create by the salesman. So now I'm not only a salesman, I'm a recruiter also. How does salesman define which is the proper traffic he is seeking? purchase it? S.E. it? trade it? I see many ways of obtaining it. But I believe the true traffic is the one the salesman creates. Because as much as everone says they have all this great traffic to offer, Do you truly believe they are willing to give it up for a trade, or a sale? I seriously doubt it.

[Toby]

Rcourt, I have to agree with rhetorical. Everything he's said in this thread is spot on.

The affiliate's job is far more than just sending as much traffic as possible to the tour.

One of the best pieces of advice I've rec'd in this biz is this one simple concept. "Cutting your conversion ratio in half is the same as doubling your traffic." After thinking about that for awhile I immediately started reading everything I could find pertaining to generating targetted traffic. The end result, my aggregate conversion ratio for 2006 across all sponsors from mostly TGP traffic was 1:585

I compile stats monthly, for the prior three months, and compare that to previous numbers to decide which sponsors to promote more, which to promote less, and which to drop. Traffic is a finite resource for most of us, so using it where it's most effective is very important.